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07 Nov 2021, 1:53 pm

Does the USA not also have unceded territory like Canada does? :?


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07 Nov 2021, 2:24 pm

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Does the USA not also have unceded territory like Canada does? :?


There are so called soverign nations in places like Oklahoma, but they most certainly answer to Washington DC.

Hey I have no problem with the idea of peaceless coexistence. You want to vandalize a statue of Columbas? That won't change anything and will make most less sympathetic. Its the reason guys like Trump get elected here. Whites see it as their last stand. You want diversity? That's fine so long as whites are included too but we don't seem to be.



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07 Nov 2021, 2:46 pm

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Does the USA not also have unceded territory like Canada does? :?


There are so called soverign nations in places like Oklahoma, but they most certainly answer to Washington DC.

Hey I have no problem with the idea of peaceless coexistence. You want to vandalize a statue of Columbas? That won't change anything and will make most less sympathetic. Its the reason guys like Trump get elected here. Whites see it as their last stand. You want diversity? That's fine so long as whites are included too but we don't seem to be.


1. That’s not what I asked. Question hasn’t been answered.

2. :lol: What part of American society have white people been excluded from?? Slavery? Mass incarceration?? :?

Lol gimme a break, poor wh***y at the top of the socioeconomic food chain as separated by colour like it’s laundry day just can’t seem to catch a break in America these days! :lol: :lol: :lol: (and I say this as a 6’2” tall white presenting CIS gendered male.)


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07 Nov 2021, 2:49 pm

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goldfish21 wrote:
Does the USA not also have unceded territory like Canada does? :?


There are so called soverign nations in places like Oklahoma, but they most certainly answer to Washington DC.

Hey I have no problem with the idea of peaceless coexistence. You want to vandalize a statue of Columbas? That won't change anything and will make most less sympathetic. Its the reason guys like Trump get elected here. Whites see it as their last stand. You want diversity? That's fine so long as whites are included too but we don't seem to be.


1. That’s not what I asked. Question hasn’t been answered.

2. :lol: What part of American society have white people been excluded from?? Slavery? Mass incarceration?? :?

Lol gimme a break, poor wh***y at the top of the socioeconomic food chain as separated by colour like it’s laundry day just can’t seem to catch a break in America these days! :lol: :lol: :lol: (and I say this as a 6’2” tall white presenting CIS gendered male.)


The whole PC mandatory diversity thing.

Ok I'm not sure I understand the first question. What do you mean by unceded territory?



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07 Nov 2021, 2:51 pm

And BTW I'm very anti Trump and do not want him to have another term. I went against most of what I believe in and voted Hillary because I didn't want a Trump Presidency.



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07 Nov 2021, 2:53 pm

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Ok I'm not sure I understand the first question. What do you mean by unceded territory?


If no treaty has been established between the nation that owns the land and the US government to cede that land that land is by definition unceded.


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07 Nov 2021, 2:57 pm

Mmhmm, and what exactly is wrong with the whole PC mandatory diversity thing?

No one is taking privileges away from white people. They’re just finally acknowledging that all people should be treated equally and have access to the same privileges regardless of race or ethnicity.



“Unceded means that First Nations people never ceded or legally signed away their lands to the Crown or to Canada.”

So, it was never properly conquered or stolen, nor was it signed away or given up. Canada has basically been in a perpetual state of negotiations with Indigenous Nations over their lands, and in the meantime has just setup shop and built cities and resource extraction operations.. while acknowledging that the land belongs to Indigenous peoples that have never come to any agreements to sign its title or use away to the Corporation of Canada.

Having failed to complete their genocide, the land still belongs to Indigenous people, their ancestors and future descendants.. and so the debates and discussions carry on while water protectors build blockades and Canada sends in armed gangsters (RCMP) to blaze trails for oil & gas corporations.


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07 Nov 2021, 3:07 pm

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Mmhmm, and what exactly is wrong with the whole PC mandatory diversity thing?

No one is taking privileges away from white people. They’re just finally acknowledging that all people should be treated equally and have access to the same privileges regardless of race or ethnicity.



“Unceded means that First Nations people never ceded or legally signed away their lands to the Crown or to Canada.”

So, it was never properly conquered or stolen, nor was it signed away or given up. Canada has basically been in a perpetual state of negotiations with Indigenous Nations over their lands, and in the meantime has just setup shop and built cities and resource extraction operations.. while acknowledging that the land belongs to Indigenous peoples that have never come to any agreements to sign its title or use away to the Corporation of Canada.

Having failed to complete their genocide, the land still belongs to Indigenous people, their ancestors and future descendants.. and so the debates and discussions carry on while water protectors build blockades and Canada sends in armed gangsters (RCMP) to blaze trails for oil & gas corporations.


Most of your land is too cold for easy habitation. That's the only reason you haven't spread across it as we have. As for your question the answer is probably yes.



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07 Nov 2021, 3:30 pm

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithson ... 180970741/

That article gives some background on one example of unceded land in the US as the result of violating a treaty.

If you'd like to see where treaties exist, this site can help:
https://native-land.ca/

Turn off territories and languages and turn on treaties. There's a huge band of stolen land down the east coast, from Newfoundland to South Carolina, stretching quite far in land, there's another one up Canada's west coast. The Black Hills (mentioned in the Smithsonian article) is the yellow blotch south of Treaty 2 in Canada.

All of the pea-soup coloured parts are areas that are unceded.


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07 Nov 2021, 4:36 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/1868-two-nations-made-treaty-us-broke-it-and-plains-indian-tribes-are-still-seeking-justice-180970741/

That article gives some background on one example of unceded land in the US as the result of violating a treaty.

If you'd like to see where treaties exist, this site can help:
https://native-land.ca/

Turn off territories and languages and turn on treaties. There's a huge band of stolen land down the east coast, from Newfoundland to South Carolina, stretching quite far in land, there's another one up Canada's west coast. The Black Hills (mentioned in the Smithsonian article) is the yellow blotch south of Treaty 2 in Canada.

All of the pea-soup coloured parts are areas that are unceded.


And it's all yours if you can defeat an Army with enough nukes to melt the world ten times over.



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08 Nov 2021, 12:37 pm

Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/1868-two-nations-made-treaty-us-broke-it-and-plains-indian-tribes-are-still-seeking-justice-180970741/

That article gives some background on one example of unceded land in the US as the result of violating a treaty.

If you'd like to see where treaties exist, this site can help:
https://native-land.ca/

Turn off territories and languages and turn on treaties. There's a huge band of stolen land down the east coast, from Newfoundland to South Carolina, stretching quite far in land, there's another one up Canada's west coast. The Black Hills (mentioned in the Smithsonian article) is the yellow blotch south of Treaty 2 in Canada.

All of the pea-soup coloured parts are areas that are unceded.


And it's all yours if you can defeat an Army with enough nukes to melt the world ten times over.


Lol - none of those nukes, military, or your government are worth the paper USD’s are printed on anymore thanks to Putin & ‘Ping playing games with American voters via installing an orange game show host as El Presidente.. now that the American people have no faith in their electoral process & system of government, American imperialism is all but over. It’ll be a slow but steady decline into red, blue, purple and maybe Bud Light & NASCAR tribalism. No one’s going to have their finger on the button aiming nukes at Indigenous people when they’re too busy trying to figure out wtf to do about much bigger problems.. like trying to stop teams orange and Bud Light and NASCAR et al from tearing the country apart.


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11 Nov 2021, 11:40 am

goldfish21 wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/1868-two-nations-made-treaty-us-broke-it-and-plains-indian-tribes-are-still-seeking-justice-180970741/

That article gives some background on one example of unceded land in the US as the result of violating a treaty.

If you'd like to see where treaties exist, this site can help:
https://native-land.ca/

Turn off territories and languages and turn on treaties. There's a huge band of stolen land down the east coast, from Newfoundland to South Carolina, stretching quite far in land, there's another one up Canada's west coast. The Black Hills (mentioned in the Smithsonian article) is the yellow blotch south of Treaty 2 in Canada.

All of the pea-soup coloured parts are areas that are unceded.


And it's all yours if you can defeat an Army with enough nukes to melt the world ten times over.


Lol - none of those nukes, military, or your government are worth the paper USD’s are printed on anymore thanks to Putin & ‘Ping playing games with American voters via installing an orange game show host as El Presidente.. now that the American people have no faith in their electoral process & system of government, American imperialism is all but over. It’ll be a slow but steady decline into red, blue, purple and maybe Bud Light & NASCAR tribalism. No one’s going to have their finger on the button aiming nukes at Indigenous people when they’re too busy trying to figure out wtf to do about much bigger problems.. like trying to stop teams orange and Bud Light and NASCAR et al from tearing the country apart.


Trump isn't the Prez anymore in case you didn't notice.



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11 Nov 2021, 12:13 pm

Axeman wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/1868-two-nations-made-treaty-us-broke-it-and-plains-indian-tribes-are-still-seeking-justice-180970741/

That article gives some background on one example of unceded land in the US as the result of violating a treaty.

If you'd like to see where treaties exist, this site can help:
https://native-land.ca/

Turn off territories and languages and turn on treaties. There's a huge band of stolen land down the east coast, from Newfoundland to South Carolina, stretching quite far in land, there's another one up Canada's west coast. The Black Hills (mentioned in the Smithsonian article) is the yellow blotch south of Treaty 2 in Canada.

All of the pea-soup coloured parts are areas that are unceded.


And it's all yours if you can defeat an Army with enough nukes to melt the world ten times over.


Lol - none of those nukes, military, or your government are worth the paper USD’s are printed on anymore thanks to Putin & ‘Ping playing games with American voters via installing an orange game show host as El Presidente.. now that the American people have no faith in their electoral process & system of government, American imperialism is all but over. It’ll be a slow but steady decline into red, blue, purple and maybe Bud Light & NASCAR tribalism. No one’s going to have their finger on the button aiming nukes at Indigenous people when they’re too busy trying to figure out wtf to do about much bigger problems.. like trying to stop teams orange and Bud Light and NASCAR et al from tearing the country apart.


Trump isn't the Prez anymore in case you didn't notice.


~1/3rd of Americans haven’t noticed.. and therein lies the problem.


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11 Nov 2021, 12:13 pm

BTW this thread was started as a book discussion. Not about drugs or so called natives or Trump. Have you even read Dante's Divine Comedy? I know with smartphones people have the attention spans of gnats these days. Last week I was in a major art museum in Chicago admiring the largest collection of French Impressionist paintings anywhere outside France. What did I see while admiring the work of Monet, Matisse, Manet, etc? People who couldn't look up from their cell phones for five minutes to admire the art they paid to see!



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11 Nov 2021, 12:16 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
Axeman wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/1868-two-nations-made-treaty-us-broke-it-and-plains-indian-tribes-are-still-seeking-justice-180970741/

That article gives some background on one example of unceded land in the US as the result of violating a treaty.

If you'd like to see where treaties exist, this site can help:
https://native-land.ca/

Turn off territories and languages and turn on treaties. There's a huge band of stolen land down the east coast, from Newfoundland to South Carolina, stretching quite far in land, there's another one up Canada's west coast. The Black Hills (mentioned in the Smithsonian article) is the yellow blotch south of Treaty 2 in Canada.

All of the pea-soup coloured parts are areas that are unceded.


And it's all yours if you can defeat an Army with enough nukes to melt the world ten times over.


Lol - none of those nukes, military, or your government are worth the paper USD’s are printed on anymore thanks to Putin & ‘Ping playing games with American voters via installing an orange game show host as El Presidente.. now that the American people have no faith in their electoral process & system of government, American imperialism is all but over. It’ll be a slow but steady decline into red, blue, purple and maybe Bud Light & NASCAR tribalism. No one’s going to have their finger on the button aiming nukes at Indigenous people when they’re too busy trying to figure out wtf to do about much bigger problems.. like trying to stop teams orange and Bud Light and NASCAR et al from tearing the country apart.


Trump isn't the Prez anymore in case you didn't notice.


~1/3rd of Americans haven’t noticed.. and therein lies the problem.


Yeah I know but the fact that he is gone proves the system worked. He is not a dictator and was called to account for his misdeeds.



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13 Nov 2021, 4:40 pm

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BTW this thread was started as a book discussion. Not about drugs or so called natives or Trump. Have you even read Dante's Divine Comedy? I know with smartphones people have the attention spans of gnats these days. Last week I was in a major art museum in Chicago admiring the largest collection of French Impressionist paintings anywhere outside France. What did I see while admiring the work of Monet, Matisse, Manet, etc? People who couldn't look up from their cell phones for five minutes to admire the art they paid to see!


I’m guilty of being glue to my phone screen way too much. I have physical paper books to read vs useless rabbit hole crap. :/ I need to force myself to change what I read.


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