Is Britain mad for dropping all restrictions ?

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11 Feb 2022, 10:23 am

I have to say it isn't just us also other countries such as Denmark, the Netherlands and Sweden are doing the same, so are they mad for dropping restrictions too ? I'd like to at some point see an end to these restrictions because we obviously we can't keep ourselves away each other forever, we never did that when other viruses were circulating. It does irritate that some people say we need maintain caution if another variant comes along which I seem to think is like trying to predict what the weather will be like six months from now and that even though viruses are known to get milder over time during their evolution, some still maintain that is not always the case and they are quite concerned as in New York or New Jersey, they found deer testing positive for the virus and worried about what if it they pass it back on to humans again. I also don't like seeing other countries around the world including Australia, New Zealand and even Canada behaving like police states and I seem to think that when things get better those countries will still lockdown and restrict their people despite the high vaccination rates and so on. Surely there comes a point when the virus doesn't maintain its iron grip on the world forever I mean other pandemics didn't and epidemics are happening all the time even when there was or wasn't a pandemic going on and everyone around the world went about their normal lives and sadly there were people who died as well from other things like influenza, falls, car crashes, heart attacks, suicides, the list goes on and yet we didn't restrict are lives for those reasons.



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11 Feb 2022, 10:37 am

I hope there will be a trend towards easing restrictions over the next few weeks.



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11 Feb 2022, 10:50 am

I'm waiting for the world to go back to normal... I'll be glad when Covid can just be put to rest.


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11 Feb 2022, 10:52 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
I hope there will be a trend towards easing restrictions over the next few weeks.


Well someone said that eventually more countries will follow suit.



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11 Feb 2022, 11:30 am

I think it might be okay at this point, if people still remember to take good care of their hand hygiene etc. and wear a mask if they must go out when having symptoms/have been exposed to someone who has covid. Or well, I'd prefer if masks were widely used by everyone, but since that hasn't really been working at any point...



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11 Feb 2022, 12:21 pm

Britain is mad for plenty of other reasons than this.


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11 Feb 2022, 12:43 pm

While the decision goes very much against my cautious nature, I see the following circumstances to indicate that it is not s reckless decision :
1. High level of adaptive immunity in the population. Over 90% first dose, % over 80% second dose, over 60% with the third dose shown in the Toronto study to produce a really strong and broad antibody response, and vaccines which also give good T-cell responses to knock any infection down
2. Knowledge of the stages of Covid (viral, accute inflammatory, multi system inflammatory, post covid sequellae and how to treat each stage ,( monitoring, antivirals and monoclonal in the viral stage for at risk patients, controlled steroids to damp down the inflammatory stages, agents to guard against clotting etc in later inflammatory stages, all of which can keep people away from needing a ventilator ( ventilator stage often ends badly), post covid still research needed.
3 tests giving results in 30 minutes enabling one to protect others.
4 number of patients in mechanical ventilation beds actually was declining steadily throughout the big Christmas surge in cases
5 many hospital admissions were initially for other causes - covid was detected by routine precautionary testing
6 with adaptive immunity subsequent Keating's with the pathogen often boost immune memory
7 immunity in the population in those who have survived a meeting with SARS-CoV-2
8 Really good immunity from 7 followed by vaccination.



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11 Feb 2022, 12:47 pm

DeepHour wrote:
Britain is mad for plenty of other reasons than this.


Such as ?



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11 Feb 2022, 12:53 pm

How about deliberately crippling our own ability to provide affordable energy, risking sending us halfway back towards the Stone Age within a few decades?


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11 Feb 2022, 1:23 pm

The world will never be back to normal. As if it was "normal" even before the pandemic. In fact it's because of human insanity and stupidity that we even have a pandemic. I used to be proud and happy to be living in Canada, but now because of the convoy protest I know our own crap stinks as much as it does when it comes from Americans, except it might be a little colder.

It will always be a part of our lives now, just like influenza and HIV/AIDS, and we just have to accept that. At least until the next Black Death pandemic which I know is shortly behind. There are signs in some parts of the US warning people about rodents such as prairie dogs carrying the plague. I read that the plague can be treated with antibiotics, but it will become resistant. The world may have changed a lot since medieval times but humans have not.



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11 Feb 2022, 1:48 pm

lostonearth35 wrote:
The world may have changed a lot since medieval times but humans have not.


Yes, bottomline we keep on repeating the same patterns.
And one thing one could learn from history is that mankind does not learn from history.
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11 Feb 2022, 1:52 pm

lostonearth35 wrote:
The world will never be back to normal. As if it was "normal" even before the pandemic


Yeah, I don't disagree with that. I realized that point could be made when I wrote that. Hence the ...

theprisoner wrote:
I'm waiting for the world to go back to normal... I'll be glad when Covid can just be put to rest.


I could of said: I'm waiting for the world to go back to a state resembling it's previous political configuration, free of epidemic regulations and social modes of behavior, customary, or legal, in nature, that i personally find disagreeable and restricting.

I could have said all that , but i thought would be too wordy, so just used the blanket term "normal" instead. :)

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bottomline we keep on repeating the same patterns.

Those patterns are evolutionary wired, since paleolithic times. Necessary for survival. Hence the recurrence. Humans learn up to a point, then they operate on instinctual patterns, that can not really be eradicated, through 'education'.


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11 Feb 2022, 2:10 pm

DeepHour wrote:
How about deliberately crippling our own ability to provide affordable energy, risking sending us halfway back towards the Stone Age within a few decades?
That's a problem all over Europe at this point. Here in Norway we have the highest energy prices ever, while mass exporting our clean hydroelectric power. Too many are forced to keep it too cold indoors in our winterland as a result. It's madness.
And I don't understand why nuclear power must go. This winter has clearly showed that we can't just rely on wind and water. There hasn't been enough wind in Germany, and our water magazines are emptying. The idiots in charge emptied them months ago "because it usually rains a lot in fall". It didn't, not where the magazines are. Not for the first time. And our no-good politicians do nothing but babble BS. We have the 3rd highest level of thorium in the world, it could be a great source of energy and economic boost


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11 Feb 2022, 7:19 pm

Some things will not get back to the way it was. Some form of remote working and learning will stay. Even without a mask mandate, a decent percent of people are going to wear them from now on just like the Asians did following SARS. This generation of schoolchildren lost important learning and social things and will be playing catch up. I fear employers might be reluctant to hire members of the classes of 2020-2022.


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12 Feb 2022, 5:08 am

theprisoner wrote:
lostonearth35 wrote:
Humans learn up to a certain point, then they work according to instinctive patterns that cannot really be eradicated even by "education".

Yes, and I think as soon as people think they can impose their views and values on everyone because they see them as functional and the best for everyone, harm is automatically done.



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12 Feb 2022, 7:09 am

I don't want the restrictions to be dropped. My boyfriend works at a covid testing centre and I don't want his job to be in jeopardy if people aren't going to be getting tested much any more.

I've gotten so used to the restrictions now that I've sort of lost all my confidence in going out. I think this is true for many people.

It's just a shame I haven't got my mum around any more to be able to spend time with again. :cry:


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