Which wooden Lilith statue should I consider getting?

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It's a self-development path, that's the main thing.

I get from what you're saying that it's coming in loud for you, and I understand why. The trick is understanding that most of what you're seeing is you're own unconscious, it's archetypes and its read of various symbols. This is why I recommended JungToLiveBy, they get into the weeds on complexes, archetypal images, meta-instincts, Pankseppian instincts, etc.

I will definetly check out JungToLiveBy on Youtube then.

And maybe other sources from people who seem to actually know what they are really talking about. It's easy to get lost in misinformation these days unfortunately.

I think Lilith's main thing is encouraging me to be independent and even rebellious when it's needed. But if I take it too far it will consume me in hellfire. I should definetly be careful with that.

I feel her particular energy is powerful but dangerous and you're right it does serve as a reflection of myself.

It's more like the structure is more important than the details.

For example, if you want to look at someone whose experienced and highly competent with goetic magic - there's an author and practitioner named Jake Stratton Kent who has a lot of experience in this area. You would get the sense that the way he'd describe these beings is perhaps in some cases quite powerful, relatively intense personalities, but not malevolent if you know how to work with them.

Then you have Joseph B Peterson, whose been one of the highest quality translators for Solomonic magic texts and the like, who'd claim he's converted to Zoroastrianism and very much believes in a good vs. evil context for these things.

Then you have Stephen Skinner, another high quality translator and academic, who'd claim that these beings are strictly external and that the magic that occurs is through the agency of external forces rather than internal.

Then you'd have Israel Regardie, and much of the Golden Dawn and disapora, who'd range between largely psychologizing these beings to purely psychologizing them and saying effectively 'Just because it's all in your head doesn't mean it's not real'.

So yeah, even the top brass disagree on topics like this and have significantly diverging opinions. I have no idea if it's a bunch of blind men and blind women patting down an elephant (or perhaps more aptly an amplituhedron) but there are all sorts of places you can go for competent scholarship, and almost as many varying opinions as there are experts.

Mark Stavish has a monograph on this as well:

Decided to try a reading to focus on Lilith and ask her "What can you give me in return for worshipping you?"

I pulled some interesting cards!



I chose the Queen of Spades card because I feel that it's the card that most represents her nature as a dark feminine goddess/demon/spirit.



She has revealed to me that she can bring me: 10 of Diamonds (wealth and luxury beyond my imagination), 10 of Hearts (Happy Family and Surrounded by Friends, great happiness in general)

And the Ace of Spades. The ability to curse my enemies as I see fit as she spreads storms and disease among the world.


But at the cost of the 7 of Hearts. Every time I use divination of any form she is cursing me with some visions that are best not known and forgotten. She speaks truly awful things through me, none of the "love and light" bs.

After taking a moment to stop and reflect on myself...

I think maybe my Lilith obsession is unhealthy.

Should I really keep trying to work with a demonic goddess like her? It's like she takes me into dark places within myself that I'm better off not even seeing.

Maybe I should find a kinder, less selfish deity? Hestia the Goddess of the Hearth is kindly and wholesome even if she was not a particularly strong figure in Greek Mythology.

Inanna as a Goddess of both Love AND War seemed to have a healthy control over her emotions and she was fiercely strong and independent without being cruel like Lilith (anyone Inanna punished usually deserved it in some way).

I feel that either of those two goddesses could help me get a grip on my manic episodes.

The reason I brought up JungToLiveBy, there's a thing called shadow work, ie. integrating your shadow, it's what people do to have a contiguous self that covers both the ranges of good and evil. This is where highly agreeable people, who've never interacted with or gotten to know their own shadow, can be dangerous because other people can puppet the parts of themselves that they either deny or don't have a good grip on.

Maybe the healthiest thing to do is just really think deeply about what it is about her that appeals to you, explore it openly with yourself, and try to make the best map of that territory that you can as well as retracing that map and deepening it when you find things that you didn't know where there before.

My guess is - if you do that right - it won't be an obsession anymore because your own subconscious will have gotten it's own point across to you and won't need to keep pulling on your sleeve.

But speaking of Hestia, they sell some interesting statues of her on Etsy too. Maybe if I decide i want to work with a Goddess who can maybe show me how to calm down and avoid causing drama? She's also linked to domestic life and Im the one in my family who cleans the house, cooks supper every night, and takes care of our many pets.

I guess while part of me would love to be more defiant like Lilith the other part of me would rather be a genuinely nice guy and try to keep my friends and family happy like Hestia would.

I had something else hit me this evening, I didn't want to litter up PPR but I thought I'd throw it in here since you're grappling with the 'Lilith' question.

As I think about it - a better match for Darwinian evolution is Choronzon rather than Lilith. I don't know your familiarity with Choronzon but it amounts to the incoherent babblings of nature, extending from the 'No Thing' into manifestation. From that perspective Lilith is much more tame and even humanized in comparison.

I had a chance to read the Wikipedia page and it sounds like a very interesting concept indeed.

Anyways I told myself I had enough of Lilith but... she has drawn me back in like always.

Found and interesting page about her on a website that lists several 'demons' (though this whole list feels incomplete. How could they forget Lamashtu of all demons???)

https://www.deliriumsrealm.com/lilith/

Also an interesting page on her Greek counterpart known as Lamia.

https://www.deliriumsrealm.com/lamia/