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And who was assuming that he was privileged?

I certainly hope you aren't getting at what I said, which is a very common phenomena described in psychology classes. Their are things that society automatically grants men that a woman will never be priveleged to because she's a woman just as there are experiences that every women have that no man will be ever to emulate without actually becoming female (a good way to understand is to read one of the books where a woman decided to live as a male for a year or so and was shocked to find a difference in how she was treated by others from the very first day)

Perhaps I misread something. It's hard for me to follow all the nuances here.



Is this actually true? Are between-group differences that much larger than within-group differences? I know less powerful men suffer economic inequalities too, but I guess what you're saying is that sexually, there is a divide, and expecting men to understand this divide is unrealistic. I guess I'm reluctant to believe it's that different.

It's just me with my girl brain trying to be too inclusive.

Yes its true - because men are not female they will never experience being objectively dehumanized by significant number of males in public for no other reason that they are female.

No one is saying that men don't face problems or inequalities. All that is being said is that there are problems and inequalities faced by woman that no man will never be able to experience - without actually first living as a female


You should read self-made man. Its about a woman who didn't think those differences existed - until she decided to live as a man for about a year. She noticed immediately that even the way she was greeted by strangers changed 180 degrees when she was presenting as male

i got that, incredible hatred, taunting, made me feel subhuman, at school, at jobs, at work, all because i didn't basically fit in, and i'm clearly biologically male...maybe it was for different reasons (ie my aspie behaviour rather than my gender appearance), but it happened....so obviously this is where our misunderstanding has come from, we're both feeling somewhat bitter about societies treatment of us, and are arguing the toss over who had the shittiest past...i'm glad this is all making sense now.x

sigh. i don't know why i keep talking since you have ignored all of my comments to you and not answered a single damn question i have asked. oh well. perhaps the onlookers at least will appreciate the show...

i tried to point out to you that yes, you are feeling bitter and you are arguing who had the shittiest past. perhaps reasoning that if you have suffered the MOST, then all other suffering is completely understandable to you because it must pale next to yours, so you think you get it.

glad you are able to summarize what has been going on.

but, AGAIN, i will say it is not so much who wins the shittiest life contest-- but just that YOUR sh***y is going to be completely different from all other kinds of sh***y. it is not that you have suffered more, it is not that you have suffered less, it is that you have suffered DIFFERENT.

nah, i've been taking everything on board, i'm getting this now.

might be a good idea, in the future, to get a seperate trangender/gay/lesbian issues forum (as i've noticed there are possibly a higher percentage on the spectrum) just to make everything fair. coz i'd doubt the adult forum would be a sensitive enough place for issues like that.

well, yes you are probably limited to either the adult, haven, or members only forums. seems like the best thing to do would be to try those places out, if they don't work, perhaps more transgender aspies will come out of the woodwork, and then it might make sense to have another forum. right now i don't know that there are enough posters to support it. or maybe there could be a Sticky in one of those forums for transgendered people.

And so have thousands of woman. Actually that applies to just about every aspie on this site. This place abounds with threads in various forums about it

Thousands of men have not experienced being dehumanized for no other reason than they were woman though and as such no experience they have will enable them to empathize with such dehumanization. Some even perpetrate and abet that dehumanizing in ways they never realize. I'd love for you to point even just one man who has been discriminated against for being a woman in the exact way that woman encounter numerous times throughout their life. I'm willing to bet all the money Ill ever make that the only people you'll find that applies to are passable mtf's

I don't know where you are getting this argument about the shittiest past from. Can't even begin to pick up on where you thought anything I said had to do with having a shittier past instead of having to do with all women having negative experiences that no man will ever be able to experience solely because he's a man - its a pretty popular topic in psychology and sociology courses, there have been quite a few extensive studies down on it.

I said this elsewhere today but read self-made man. That book was a bout a woman who was convinced that men and woman couldn't be treated all that differently. And to help prove it, she lived as a man for a year. What did she find? - from day 1 she was treated differently by everyone she presented as male to than she had ever been treated as a female. Greetings, casual glances, conversation styles etc. all were completely different. She was the same person she had been yesterday so it wasn't her that caused the change


*If you really want to argue about who had the shittiest life let me know. i can tell you all about my abusive parents, sister who spread rumors about me through out school, having to dig food out of the pigs trough because my dad never bought any, being attacked by mom and laughed at by teachers when i spoke of the abuse I suffered, how I once went to a friends house for a week at about 12 years old and my parents never even noticed I wasn't home, my parents didn't care that I didn't take a single bath from 8-10 years old, my parents attempts to ensure I was homeless after high school only being thwarted by a man I met on the internet and had no choice but to trust immediately etc as well as the fact that I now have no choice but to go back to that situation since god decided to return my epilepsy to me in a way thats so severe i'm not allowed to live alone or work. trust me, it wouldn't even occur to me to bring up anything said in this thread or the other as thats fun and games compared to my childhood. There are things my mom has done to me that I can't even think about, let alone type out. It says alot that i preferred living in a house where I had to scavage the barn for food than I did to living with her where there were 3 cooked meals a day sat on a table

i'm not gonna let this thread descend into a dreadful dredging up of the past. we've both said our pieces, it's been throught provoking and was an incredibly emotional debate, but i think we'll have to agree to disagree.x

I would love to see a Genderqueer/transgender/gay/lesbian forum on wrongplanet.

Empirical evidence suggests there is a high incidence of differently gendered aspies, even just on this website. Having an androgynous/leaning female Aspie brain in a male testosterone riddled body is pretty damn confusing, and it present unique challenges that don't fit into a neat little category like Men's or Women's issues.

now that i can certainly agree with.

God bless all lesbians, gays, bisexuals and transpeople. God bless all of you!

i really never thought i'd ever see a sentence like that...lol x

LOL....

Sometimes SM.... I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry at your posts.

I think you've posted previously that you've had some gender issues of your own, but would not act on them because of your faith?

Maybe this forum would help you come to terms with some of your own issues.

In the spirit of fellowship, I will tell you this: I do experience rare flashes of homoerotic ideation. But they are so few and far between as to negligible. I take no action on these impulses, ever. I chalk this up to the fact that human sexuality is a continuum and not a binary.

I am %99.997 hetero. Go figure.

Well, we got him to admit sexuality is a continuum, it's a start.