Where Males stand in this forum

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I wasn't being sarcastic. It was an unctious outburst.

That's the one by Norah Vincent? I'll check it out.

It doesn't matter that you don't like it though. It exists and it's ingrained into our society so there's not much we can do about it. And you are talking about how you hate labels so much, well I'm sorry but I feel that labels are sometimes necessary. Otherwise we wouldn't know what the heck each other were talking about! I use labels but I also understand that people don't fit into those labels perfectly. Yes it's bad to judge based on labels, but certain labels are kind of necessary and I'd like to hear what you would do instead of having labels. You suggested the term female in another thread. Well isn't female also a label of sorts? I don't really understand this kind of argument that people make. I think you are saying you just don't want to be discriminated against because of the group you are affiliated with, but I don't do that, and I don't think most of the women on here do that. You don't have a problem with us. You're problem lies with other people who were nasty to you and you are projecting that onto us and this forum. You are being a tad judgmental.

EDIT: And if you want to make a transgender forum that's fine, but that is also a label. So do you understand why I'm saying labels are necessary?

Why is the bigender system such an enigma? As a binary it seems pretty straightfoward to me.

Well, the alternative is: he, she, and WTF? (F for farce.)

as one of the female aspies of the forum, I can completely understand the need for a woman forum. Sometimes it's hard to socialize woman-to-woman in the real world and we need someone to talk about regarding woman-to-woman issues. I think guys need a forum of their own too.

There are times anyone needs a place to talk about what they're going through. Obviously, beings that this is a woman forum, guys should realize that it's implied that women are generally seeking female input on female problems that males may not have much experience (if any) on. Unless you have input from situations like knowing someone that has been through said female issue, that wish for female input has to be respected.

and please, no corny responses like 'omg eww no' and "why get a reduction, I like big boobies." Responses like that are a waste of space and by general give men a bad name. I love it when guys talk with their brains and not their hormones. It makes things worthwhile for real life situations. I know it's not easy for some guys to do this, but it is possible, my boyfriend is living proof. In essence this is a place to talk about personal women issues, and yes that does include things like gynecological issues. So be warned that on a place like this, going into a thread like that would be like opening a disgusting pandora's box, you have to come to expect it and must handle things with maturity if you do enter.

Also, if you click on something, you don't always have to respond either. I doubt there's a prize going around WP for "manages to post in every thread available." Some might grumble it's "censorship" that men don't get the usual welcome to post here like everywhere else. I call it respectful to keep away the ignorant posts where people do not bring anything worthwhile into a discussion that's not meant for them.

And yes, earlier in the thread, I do agree that some men ride on my last nerves with the way they stare make remarks, touch, etc. They overall give men a bad name too. Just because I have a round butt doesn't mean you have to stare at it and cat-call/touch it. You don't have to, and mustn't, since I am also not dressing in a way to provoke said people. I wear things that cover, I wear normal pants, and I dress with class. With that said, sometimes it's difficult to hide voluptuous body parts like one poster said. My best friend (also aspie, btw) gets a lot of this crap because of her large breasts. Even the baggiest moomoo won't help her.

I think there's also a huge misunderstanding upon some guys' behalves. When you stare and what not, you are not telling a woman that she's beautiful/attractive (telling it to them on a casual basis is more appropriate, but only if you know her). Every once in a while, you'll find a shallow woman who likes this kind of staring attention. But many women do not. Staring without knowing the woman equivocates to many women that you're either 1) a pig or 2) I have a pad wrapper stuck to my butt, I have period-stained pants, I am choking on what I'm eating, my skirt is bunched in my panties, I applied my makeup in the dark, there's tp stuck to my shoe, chicken or broccoli stuck in my teeth, my thong is hanging out of my pants, there's a booger hanging out of my nose, or something else that is tremendously wrong. Therefore the staring by nature makes me uneasy at best, nervous usually though, so I re-check to see if my ducks are in a row and that I'm not presenting myself like a royal mess. I do not like it when I go to the gym and guys stare at my butt. This is why women like to be in a place by themselves. Yes, you may have not ruined it but your ill-respecting colleagues ruined it for you.

For me, when I come in here to read a post by a women, which is addressed to women, and some guy answers, I see it like this:

Envision a group of women, maybe sitting in a park. One of them brings up a problem or situation which is unique only to women, and asks for input/advice from the other women. Just when another woman is about to answer, along comes some strange guy, and throws his two cents in.

Perhaps there would be a stunned silence, and then polite encouragement to move along, since he was certainly not invited to participate. Said guy starts whining about being kept out of the group, just because he's a guy, blah blah blah. Do you see how ridiculous this is? I doubt it would be suffered for long. In real time, these women would probably go and sit somewhere else, or disperse. Unfortunately, that choice is not available in a forum. One of the reasons I will never post about any female problem here again, is because I truly want to hear from women only, or I wouldn't have brought it to the women's forum. And I know that some insecure or curious guy is going to exercise his insecurity or curiosity, at my expense.

No thanks. And it's a damned shame it has to be so.

Actually yes, there is no mens disgussion forum!
(im female)
but surely isnt that a bit sexist?
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There's a woman's forum, but not a men's forum? That is just wrong, it is blatantly, disgustingly sexist and man-hating. So what if a man wants to "be himself" and "be comfortable without females butting in with their opinions" and "if he doesn't want to hear from her, her posts will be deleted"? This is anti-male bashing and I am sick of it everywhere I go. I am not a second-class citizen because of something I had no control over: my birth. It is not a crime to be born a man. I am not a criminal because my plumbing is on the outside rather than the inside. Men have feelings too, and we have our own wants and needs. We need to be able to talk to eachother as men. We are not machines, we are not walking sperm donors or fistfuls of credit cards to be used up and tossed aside at will. I would love to get involved in a site with fellow aspies, but if the owners of this site engage in evil misandry then I refuse to be a part of any community of their making. I'm sick and tired of anti-male bashing in every aspect of this society (one of the reasons of my absolute hatred of NTs), and now I come here, thinking I've found a possible refuge from this world, only to see the same old song and dance? Forget this! You can take your misandry and shove it!

There was a men's forum, and it got shuffled into an Adult forum and an InDepth Adult forum. It was nothing to do with it being a male place or a female place.\

a frendly reminder, if you have created a profile and account just to protest this, you know both accounts will be deleted.

Merle
Moderator

I think its really silly and childish to have a woman's only forum. They should have maybe just started a sticky thread saying women's issues. Where they can talk about their time of the month and babies etc. This site should be united. I think ladies are insulted by the way men treated them in the past. Enough already. We should be equal. But people let power got to their heads. Its almost like having a blacks or whites only forum.

I am not so sure 'power went to their heads' it was only one head and that was Alex's, and as for power, well, it is his website.

If anyone wants a sticky for men's issues, I can sticky it in the Adult section, I have no problem with that.

Merle

I'm actually starting to wonder whether this forum is even a good idea at all.. Maybe we can try to get Alex to put the guys one back with similar rules?

I find it nice to know there is a forum like this. I've benefited from women-only spaces in the past. However, this isn't women only, so it's not the same, is it? But it is slightly less private than a thread on women's issues in one of the other forums, so I think it's a good idea. After all, it's no different in concept than forums dedicated to people on the spectrum. Anyone not think that's a good idea?

As long as people understand what a public forum means in reality. There is no verification of anything or anyone.

I have been member of private member's forums before. I didn't ask to join I was invited. It was not really my cup of tea, but it suits some people

No. It reminds me of the school disco's in primary school, as in aged from 4.5-11. Where all the girls would stand on one side of the room and the boys would be on the other. Its very silly. Just the forum was bad enough, but to make a thread saying "where males stand in this forum", is ridiculous.