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13 Sep 2015, 6:16 pm

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From my perspective, it would be nice to just post something and get advice about it instead of the thread turning into how bad men have it by comparison.


Yep.



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13 Sep 2015, 8:17 pm

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1. yes there was a touch of sarcasm; but but to be honest I also genuinely was wondering whether there is an unspoken forum protocol which states that males cannot get freely involved. I`m not clear. was this thread just for women or for women and men too?

I am not aware of such a protocol.

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2. I still believe that Misogyny and Misandry are blatantly connected and their impact and usage have many similar features. I do not support any kind of misanthropy.

I don't care for misandry either. And I'm aware that it happens. It's just not the topic of this thread. The dislike of the "other" whatever group that may happen to be is never helpful. Sometimes when I read threads about how a woman will make a man's life better if only he could find one, and then the inevitable blaming the rejection of women for his unhappiness is a vicious unhealthy circle. Venting is not always helpful especially when it turns into anger. Someone said earlier that if men did not have this venting outlet they may become harmful in other ways. I'm not so sure. Sometimes venting and others joining in can inflame rather than move forward.

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3. calling men hijackers of the thread what i meant by exclusive (ie women and people who agree only allowed) and actually it was stereotyping men as a group, which is what women also complain about.

Trying to change the topic of the thread is hijacking it.

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4, read the last bit carefully again I clearly said " Women can definitely lead" ... how is that "toeing the line"? surely I am encouraging precisely the opposite to happen?
ie followers toe the line not leaders. In other words I want women to lead me/us men forward on this ... How will women lead?

I have no idea.

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5. Women obviously will need the help of men to change the world for the good .... surely? are you honestly saying they will be able to do it without men contributing?

Nope. And frankly, I'm not sure what you mean by changing the world for good. I'd just like the men in L&D to grow up a little.



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13 Sep 2015, 9:47 pm

Here we go again. I've been through this before but nobody believes me.

A "Women's Group" is for women only, men have no access.

At WrongPlanet, it seems to be men who decide what women should have, which makes me explode.

What we'll get now is a bunch of men demanding to know why. I've been a feminist since 1970. I thought this kind of argument would be over by now but no, here we go again.

I can't answer all those logical questions. I don't think men should even be allowed to ask. I do know that there is a profound need in women to have a place where we can speak freely. Perhaps men are not aware that women guard their speech as society demands. And don't disagree with me, how could you possibly know? I'm telling you this is true.

The proof is that this Women's Forum is full of men. Women don't come because of that. I'm sure the men don't understand. I'm going to try to do some research.



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13 Sep 2015, 10:18 pm

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... Of course if you look for reasons to be offended you'll find them. And that's what feminism is now. ...
Quoted for Truth.

Feminism today is more about aesthetics than action, more about male (mis)behavior than female empowerment, and more about being judgmental than being supportive.

It's like evangelical Christianity without the Christ.



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13 Sep 2015, 10:18 pm

I posted in this thread at some point, unknowing that it was in the womens discussion forum, by reaching it from the active discussions list. My mistake, I'll be more careful to check the subforum in the future. I respect the boundary but I question the necessity of it's existence, doesn't it just reinforce on the thought process of the divide. And that's all I have to say, I won't be coming back.



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14 Sep 2015, 12:16 am

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Here we go again. I've been through this before but nobody believes me.

A "Women's Group" is for women only, men have no access.

At WrongPlanet, it seems to be men who decide what women should have, which makes me explode.

What we'll get now is a bunch of men demanding to know why. I've been a feminist since 1970. I thought this kind of argument would be over by now but no, here we go again.

I can't answer all those logical questions. I don't think men should even be allowed to ask. I do know that there is a profound need in women to have a place where we can speak freely. Perhaps men are not aware that women guard their speech as society demands. And don't disagree with me, how could you possibly know? I'm telling you this is true.

The proof is that this Women's Forum is full of men. Women don't come because of that. I'm sure the men don't understand. I'm going to try to do some research.


It's a public forum, it's a provocative thread title with a topic that frustratingly doesn't name names or even specific incidence. It is not reasonable to expect people not to respond. I don't click on this forum when browsing it, I don't relate to most of the topics obviously so I don't have any interest to, I just look at the latest threads. Sorry if me being here bugs you .



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14 Sep 2015, 12:38 am

This is a women's forum not a say horrible things about men or plot to ban men from the site and let me have no say in defending them selfs forum.

If you want to complain and not have people defend themselves or counter it then post in haven.

Would you be fine if we had a men's forum and poster stuff like this and women couldn't speak out against it.

Isn't this suppose to be for questions on female body issues, female issues etc

I see this used as a secretive rally point to attack men here it was in this forum the incidents of last year happen. This seemed like either a haven or a politics post to me.

Mean is this why women want a sub forum and say men don't need one?

Also men have been helpful in here before and women posters happy to get their replies I think posts like those abuses the true reason for such a sub forum.



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14 Sep 2015, 1:43 am

Claradoon wrote:
Here we go again. I've been through this before but nobody believes me.

A "Women's Group" is for women only, men have no access.

At WrongPlanet, it seems to be men who decide what women should have, which makes me explode.

What we'll get now is a bunch of men demanding to know why. I've been a feminist since 1970. I thought this kind of argument would be over by now but no, here we go again.

I can't answer all those logical questions. I don't think men should even be allowed to ask. I do know that there is a profound need in women to have a place where we can speak freely. Perhaps men are not aware that women guard their speech as society demands. And don't disagree with me, how could you possibly know? I'm telling you this is true.

The proof is that this Women's Forum is full of men. Women don't come because of that. I'm sure the men don't understand. I'm going to try to do some research.


If you want a women's forum not accessible by men, then we should have a men's forum not accessible by women.

But this is all up to Alex.

Btw, I very rarely participate in this section for this reason, except this thread since it is about men.

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Perhaps men are not aware that women guard their speech as society demands. And don't disagree with me, how could you possibly know? I'm telling you this is true.


And women are not aware about a lot of things too:
The way men talk in presence of women, is usually totally different than the way they talk in front of men only - for example many men omit vulgar terms when they talk in presence of women because this is a societal expectation, I swear that some men would behave more appropriate and talk more politely in presence of women like 10 times than in presence of men-only. - this is just a tiny example, it's much more than that.

So this thing you are talking about (guarding speech in presence of the other gender) exists in both genders.

The men's forum was removed under the pretext that some trolls kept posting inappropriate content (those members should had been banned instead)- but there are a lot of appropriate things men can talk about in privacy, like man-to-man bullying, societal expectations of men such of not showing emotions/not crying..etc, shaving issues, erectile issues, psychological sexual issues, men's underwear, steroids side effects....etc etc...infinite of subjects. But it was Alex's decision to remove it and there's nothing can be done about it.



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14 Sep 2015, 2:02 am

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I said what meant, i won't repeat myself any more.


Also what good does it do to say the name of the thread is against the rules but take no action? I don't get it.


After consulting other mods, "terrible" has been taken out of the thread title as you can see. (Not by me)

Also, in androbot's post which got reported for singling out members, links have been removed. (Not by me)

As far as those quotes are concerned, regarding male members of the forum calling female members annoying etc, I know some instances where male members have been called "annoying" among some other attirbutes as well. Sad fact is that rarely such posts (either men attacking women, or vice versa) get reported, and then these flame wars ensue.



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14 Sep 2015, 2:10 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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Here we go again. I've been through this before but nobody believes me.

A "Women's Group" is for women only, men have no access.

If you want a women's forum not accessible by men, then we want a men's forum not accessible by women.

But this is all up to Alex.

Lol it sounds like these kids who make "clubs" where they block the access to the other sex.



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14 Sep 2015, 2:12 am

Honestly I feel like bringing up conversations like this only provoke more bitterness-driven misogyny. It is part of the reason why I frequent WP only occasionally because the level of bitterness is simply too draining. I wish there was a way to productively address these issues without antagonization. I feel like one can try their best to listen and show empathy but there is still no end to the bitterness and hostility. And my energy is limited.



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14 Sep 2015, 2:17 am

Agemaki wrote:
Honestly I feel like bringing up conversations like this only provoke more bitterness-driven misogyny. It is part of the reason why I frequent WP only occasionally because the level of bitterness is simply too draining. I wish there was a way to productively address these issues without antagonization. I feel like one can try their best to listen and show empathy but there is still no end to the bitterness and hostility. And my energy is limited.


well then it's a really good thing that the mods here care so much about autistic women feeling just as welcome on this site as men. otherwise the site might have a tendency to lose female members, which would decrease the amount of interaction the bitter men can have with women and increase their bitterness about women not wanting to talk to them. it's so great that isn't happening and that women who come to this site feel so safe and supported and welcome in the community!

/sarcasm



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14 Sep 2015, 2:19 am

Claradoon wrote:
Here we go again. I've been through this before but nobody believes me.

A "Women's Group" is for women only, men have no access.

At WrongPlanet, it seems to be men who decide what women should have, which makes me explode.

What we'll get now is a bunch of men demanding to know why. I've been a feminist since 1970. I thought this kind of argument would be over by now but no, here we go again.

I can't answer all those logical questions. I don't think men should even be allowed to ask. I do know that there is a profound need in women to have a place where we can speak freely. Perhaps men are not aware that women guard their speech as society demands. And don't disagree with me, how could you possibly know? I'm telling you this is true.

The proof is that this Women's Forum is full of men. Women don't come because of that. I'm sure the men don't understand. I'm going to try to do some research.


All members of the forum have the right to post in every section of the forum, unless there is requierement regarding the age.



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14 Sep 2015, 2:25 am

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Agemaki wrote:
Honestly I feel like bringing up conversations like this only provoke more bitterness-driven misogyny. It is part of the reason why I frequent WP only occasionally because the level of bitterness is simply too draining. I wish there was a way to productively address these issues without antagonization. I feel like one can try their best to listen and show empathy but there is still no end to the bitterness and hostility. And my energy is limited.


well then it's a really good thing that the mods here care so much about autistic women feeling just as welcome on this site as men. otherwise the site might have a tendency to lose female members, which would decrease the amount of interaction the bitter men can have with women and increase their bitterness about women not wanting to talk to them. it's so great that isn't happening and that women who come to this site feel so safe and supported and welcome in the community!

/sarcasm


at the moment there are 3 active mods, all women. Out of which, one is active in school and i have a family and university to attend, and the third can't handle the load by herself. We can't watch every thread or post, which is why we ask people to report.

We're recuriting more mods since when my uni starts it will be barely two active mods.



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14 Sep 2015, 8:43 am

Claradoon wrote:
A "Women's Group" is for women only, men have no access.
WRONG. Men have full access to this subforum.

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Here we go again. I've been through this before but nobody believes me.
Maybe if you get your facts straight before you post, that might help your case.

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At WrongPlanet, it seems to be men who decide what women should have ...
Evidence, including links, please?

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... which makes me explode.
Evidence, please? We simply can not have body parts exploding all over the place, now can we?

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What we'll get now is a bunch of men demanding to know why. I've been a feminist since 1970. I thought this kind of argument would be over by now but no, here we go again.
An argument is never over until ALL parties agree. Until then, an argument remains to be argued.

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I can't answer all those logical questions.
Well, there's one of your problems! If logic confuses you, then maybe you should retire from the debate.

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I don't think men should even be allowed to ask.
And there's the other one of your problems. You seem to want to silence men to prevent them from questioning non-logical, presumptive claims. That just is not going to happen, kid!

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I do know that there is a profound need in women to have a place where we can speak freely. Perhaps men are not aware that women guard their speech as society demands. And don't disagree with me, how could you possibly know? I'm telling you this is true.
Women guard their speech only when it suits them. They also rip loose with unguarded speech only when it suits them, as well. Please get your facts straight before you post any spurious claims.

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The proof is that this Women's Forum is full of men.
The only things this proves is that (1) your "men have no access" claim is bogus, and that (2) you are contradicting yourself.

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Women don't come because of that. I'm sure the men don't understand. I'm going to try to do some research.
Men understand that some women want the freedom to express their blatant misandry untethered by common social mores and fact-based logic. Men also understand that not all women are like that.

(It's good to be back!)



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14 Sep 2015, 9:55 am

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Take note, WP women. If this post is okay, then it's okay to infantilize anyone with whom you disagree. You may now call men "boy" or "child" or "baby". It's not a personal attack, apparently.

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Women guard their speech only when it suits them. They also rip loose with unguarded speech only when it suits them, as well.


It's also now okay to speak of men as if they share a hive mind. No need to say, "Some men are babies."
Just say, "Men are babies!"

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