Why do feminist have such a bad rep?

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Then what am I? I was born male, am in the process of changing my physiology to that of a female, and have considered myself feminist before I accepted transexuality in myself. My situation contradicts you statement.

um. okay.

Hate to tell you. But since feminism started in order to address fundamental inequality, feminists are equalists.

They would have named it the equalist movement then. They want special treatment. That's why they get a bad rap. Ever listen to what some of them say? A woman needs man a like a fish needs a bike? HAHA! Whatever. Ever heard of the SCUM manifesto? Know what SCUM stands for? Before you say anything, I like women. Just not women that want their cake and eat it too. Same with men. Goes both ways.

Last edited by aspieguy101 on 13 Jun 2009, 12:38 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Equality for women is not the same as equality for all. As i have already stated, philosophically, feminism is looking at equality from a womans point of few. Because from a feministic point of few, men already have everything. Everything is already skewed in a mans favour. Feminism does not look at the "full-picture", it only looks at half of it. If you only look at half the picture, you cannot percieve when something has crossed the middle mark. 50% looks the exact same as 90%. Feminists are not equalists and feminism will never bring equality on it's own.

Yes, what some say. Yes, I know what SCUM stands for, and fyi Valerie Solanis was mad.
Equality for women isn't equality for all? I thought if women were equal to men then men were equal to women. (algebra joke)

Anyways, I have no idea why you two ^ got so upset and rushed in here to argue, but maybe you might want to read up on why women might have wanted to change their social circumstances. Ok, goodnight. I'm checking my emails and going to sleep.

Last edited by activebutodd on 13 Jun 2009, 1:32 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Back in the days of slavery, the only difference between a woman and a slave was what their purpose was. Not a situation where you could really be who you wanted to now is it?

I am not upset and my posts are merely trying to enlighten the original poster as to why people would have a negative few of feminists. Cause you know that question in the first post? that's the whole reason for the existence of this thread. I know full well the crap that people had to go through in the past.


Which is why people usually have a negative veiw of feminism.

If there is any jealosy it is because I am not Lydia Chapin Taft or hung out with Antoine Condocet or marched withElisabeth Dmitrieff in the Paris Communes.

Working for a cause that is bigger than yourself gets you out of yourself, and makes it not about you. Sorry if you have been hated on by people other than me, but just because that was their agenda doesn't mean it is my agenda.

Merle

I have to admit Michjo dose have a pretty good point. While overall I think Feminism is positive and has brought some really needed changes, women not having the vote was a disgrace, but now I think about it, Feminism being "based almost entirely on the woman's point of view" is a serious flaw when it comes to equality.

Both Norah Vincent's "Self Made Man" (amazing book) and Roy F. Baumeister's talk "Is there anything good about men" are really good on this topic.

I would be happy for feminism to be from men's point of view as well. It's good when men are feminists imo. But it kinda has to be from women's point of view because there are many (many, not all) men who are happy with the status quo.

If women want a better life than their mothers and grandmothers, they have to be the ones to ask for it because it isn't just going to get better spontaneously.

This is an interesting point you made, activebutodd. It states that someone holds the power, and it is not women. It states that asking for rights might make a difference, like going to your mom or dad or getting a note from your doctor to excuse from gym class. Nobody gives rights away. You have to either get up on your hind legs and take them (which is considered very unlady like (and seems to be the major objection to 'feminists' in the first place) or you have to raise generation after generation of children that have questions about treating half the population of the world as second class citizens.

either way it is a struggle and much easier to relax into the status quo, because women are raising children and juggling a job and homemaker and all takes up a lot of marching time.

Merle

^ That's basically what I wanted to say, I just knew if I said it that directly I'd get another light toasting rather than the point sinking in. I am not a favourite atm it seems

I get a "heavy searing" daily just for being a moderator, ABO, so I guess I 'sin boldly' by trudging in where angels fear to tread and just say what I have to say. It rarely matters, because people see my avatar and just usually ignore my posts anyway.

(People have such amazing ideas about what I actually believe, anyway. I read about how I am some Machiavellian puppet master with some grand ulterior motive with a heavy agenda of how I want to change and discipline. . . I just have to laugh, cause I am just another Aspie trying to make sense of it all, too.)

Merle

If you don't speak your mind, who will?

amen, sister!