Why females aren't taken seriously

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Ah, but you're being sexist by assuming that girls who dress that way "almost want to have sex". Men can go topless in shorts without people assuming they're asking for it. Nobody cares if a man goes topless. What's the difference? There shouldn't be. It's like women wearing burkas - it is exactly the same argument.

Your point is well taken. I'll watch my words in the future.

I guess that what I meant to say is that people get the impression that girls who wear shorts that are short and tight give off signals that they want sex, even though that might not be the case.

Hey, it's OK. I'm really glad you took on my POV and didn't get defensive like most people would. Don't worry about what you said, everyone has to learn some way.

Nobody forces anyone to do anything, but like I said before peer pressure plays a huge part in it. It seems that the only way women (and sometimes men) can get any attention is if they are wearing revealing clothes and if they choose not to wear them they are called puritans.

I guess that I'm happy to be a puritan.

also cockneyrebel, teenage girls do have a sex drive. they do want sex. i never understood why we were warned away from teenage boys as teens because all they wanted to do was have sex(also a sexist assumption) when girls themselves have their needs and desires and i think many adults would have an anurism if they ever listened to conversations in the girls toilet. plus it was paternalistic, like why do girls need to be protected and why are we considered emotionally vulnerable and all that but the big stong boys are ok on their own? what happens if they do have sex and maybe even like it? is that so dangerous?

and on crazycatlords comment skimpy clothing is no more a sign of liberation than wearing the burqa is a sign of oppression if it is a choice. you're kinda ignoring raunch culture as a whole and the objectification of women everywhere- i dare you to spend a day walking around and not bump into something that tells us that we should conform to some standard of beauty. women are not liberated in the west, we are oppressed. i actually think that one of the muslim feminist arguments for wearing the hijab, burqa, abaya, etc is kinda cool. they argue that some might wear it as a protest at societies judgement of women based on their appearance(dont tell me people do not do this. it is just really hard to deny it.) and as a protest at narrow definitions of beauty.

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are you encouraging the idea that women should be seen as sex objects there just to look pretty for some other person, most likely a guy since people who say that are not usually thinking about same sex attracted women especially if they are male.

women shouldnt be judged at all by what they wear whether it is skimpy or all covering. that being said we do live in a society where the media, fashion retailers, advertising and the cult of celebrity tell us that we should look and behave in a certain way to attain a standard of beauty and that if we do not them we are not really worth anything. it's how they make their money- by making women feel bad about themselves eg not sure if any australians have heard that radio commercial where two women are gossiping about another womans shaving habits and how she doesnt even shave her bikini line- "line!? its a national park!". this also encourages the stereotype that women are gossips. we should just be able to wear whatever the frack we wanna wear, society be damned. women are encouraged to pit themselves against each other to police societies norms and this is how we are socilaised from a young age. sexism is internalised. women are not valued for their minds just their bodies. it's why it is sexist when men tell women to shut up when voicing opinions, or exclude them from political talk or whatever.

Those women are using their looks so they can be taken seriously in the world. It's hard for anyone to be taken seriously if they aren't noticed & guys care a lore more about a sexy dressed women than one who isn't. That's what I've gathered from debats on other forums with slu*ty women

I object to you calling them slu*ty women.

However, it's true that you can be sort of invisible if you're plain-looking,

Discussions like these make me feel proud to look like Mick Avory did in the Mid 60s.

Sorry I couldn't think of a more PC term off the top of my head.

Currently there's kind of this weird backlash going on where I live with women's right to healthcare and equal-ish pay and the right to even be included in the debate about what's best for us.

I was thinking about this the other day and it occurred to me that females of any species are incredibly valuable for their ability to procreate. It's not necessarily attractive to think of it, but a single male would be plenty for several females (reproductively at least). So males are actually less biologically valuable.

Every single guy I've ever dated or been friends with has had this kind of inherent insecurity (anecdotal - not that women don't, but I'm just stating what I've experienced). So I live in this society that dramatically favors men and their interests and goals, but essentially it's kind of like a psychic bandaid over this gaping wound of suspected and literal comparative uselessness. Men are figuratively big and blustery and in charge and women are generally less so.

So these little 15 year old girls are doing everything they can to be "attractive" because that's what women in my society are valued for. I say "attractive" because that includes acting like you're not as smart as you are, that you're "badder" or "madder" than you are, and showing your body. Most importantly showing your body because no one wants to date a librarian from the 50's and if no one wants to date you, you don't really exist.

Because generally boys don't like girls who are obviously smarter than they are and they want to be able to show off that girl to their friends and have their friends be impressed and/or jealous. And smart, buttoned-up girls aren't nearly as titillating as wanna-be porn stars.

Clothing choice is a ridiculous basis for whether or not to take someone seriously.

I go by how they present themselves in their clothing.

See, here I know that is the impression given off and I object to that strenuously (but nicely).

Just because I wear thongs, short shorts and a low cut, light top because it's 28 or 30 or higher degrees out (thats 82 -86 degrees for you yankees) does not mean I want sex. For me it's comfortable, cultural (and normal to me) and it's too goddamn hot to wear anything else.

I cover up here a lot more than I would back at home, I am somewhat mindful of it, but it still disgusts me that because of a certain way I dress people think I am looking for sex. Men are never held to that standard and that bugs me. It's bad enough that guys think I am looking for sex, but when other women assume I am, that just hurts.

I can understand if you are from a colder climate and dressing like that is completely inappropriate and therefore it is the opposite of comfortable.

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