Girls and empathy
Moomingirl
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I think that you are oversimplifying the case a bit. Just because you feel strongly does not mean that everyone will. We are all different. Sometimes polar opposites.
However, I do relate to what you say about feeling it too much when others are in pain. I am not sure if anyone around here remembers the TV series 'Charmed'? There was an episode where the sisters swapped powers, and Prue got Phoebe's powers as an Empath. Because she wasn't designed to have those powers, she ended up huddled in the corner sobbing and melting down, as all the voices and sensations in the world screamed around her head.
That episode was about 20 years before my diagnosis. But I remember at the time pointing at the screen and saying to my friend "oh my god, that's exactly it, that's what it's like in my head - all the time"
Now I wonder if the person who wrote that was Aspie. In fact I might go and research that now.
Anyway, I got a bit sidetracked there, my point was going to be that, certainly in my case, I might miss some social cues, or it might take me longer than the average NT to pick up on some emotions, but I think what other people see as coldness, or lack of empathy, is more of a defense mechanism I have developed to shut out the overwhelming sensations. You might be onto something with what you say about growing out of things (or maybe finding away to deal with them) because I was certainly a lot more emotional and sensitive as a child.
I think this sums it up beautifully.
I have very little empathy. I'm not even sure if I have any to be honest.
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As for myself, I don't think I've ever felt that maternal bond that other girls and women have towards children either. I don't really find babies to be adorable, and whenever I play with or babysit little kids, that motherly element isn't there. It's more like I'm just watching them because I'm supposed to, or if I genuinely like the kid, I treat them more like a friend than anything else. I've never been Dxed with AS but I have spoken with my parents and general practitioner about it and should be getting tested in the near future.
Yeah its interesting that she admits that she has no maternal bond with her kids and I suspect I would be the same way. Me around kids is very awkward, I dont know what to do with them. I feel I have a very legit reason for not wanting kids.
As for empathy in general, I'd suspect my empathy levels are lower then your average person. I have learned to care for people in a sense. I still have trouble showing people, I care.
I've never been particularly empathetic (in the sense of feeling what others feel), but I am very intuitive (able to pick up on what they are feeling and why). This is especially true when it comes to friends and family. Strangers can still occasionally mystify me, at least until I've had time to step back from the situation and assess why they might have felt a certain way, but I can read those closest to me like a book. I've actually had some friends express appreciation for this, since it means that I can be told about a strongly emotional situation, express sympathy, and provide insight into it without getting too emotionally involved myself. (Though, of course, I've had to learn when people want me to do this and when they just want me to sit and nod and tell them how hard their life is. It's an ongoing process.)
This happens to me also.
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DyspraxicPanda
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Sometimes my friends tell me about how stressed and anxious they are and I feel so much for them that I get as stressed and anxious as them. This is how bad it is. It's like my body takes on everybody's emotions. I'm like a sponge.
When people fights around me I usually have panic attacks too, conflict makes me really really anxious and sad. I fought with my best friend recently (well he also said thing that really really hurt) and I had panic attacks all night and now I have sleeping problems again ![]()
When people fights around me I usually have panic attacks too, conflict makes me really really anxious and sad. I fought with my best friend recently (well he also said thing that really really hurt) and I had panic attacks all night and now I have sleeping problems again
This.
I am the same. I have a problem in that I am always internalizing what is happening to other people and feel it myself. I have to remind myself it's not about you so that I can give the appropriate empathetic response. Unfortunately, I get overwhelmed. A co-worker's cat died and everyone at the office was comforting her, and I needed to leave the room. I'm sure everyone thought that was cold and heartless, but it was really just self-preservation.
It seems to me that there are differing definitions and opinions on what "empathy" is, vs sympathy, compassion and even pity. What's more, what is described above is maybe more aptly defined as emotional contagion.
I sometimes wonder if the more universal deficit in this area for people on the spectrum is that our emotional contagion is confused. some of us experience too much, some less than average. Similarly, there are other sensory and communication areas that people on the spectrum can be one extreme or the other, like sensitivity to pain. I have a very low pain threshold, and heightened sensitivity to light and noise and texture.
robsten1990
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I think it can be a fairly complicated thing. I am definitely affected by other people's expression of emotion (and strongly) but I am not sure that it's because they are feeling it but rather that the expression is what I react to. I have terrible 'theory of mind' so I couldn't tell you what is going on inside for them and I get a really low empathy score on the test (consistently around 15). I normally just panic to expressions of 'negative' emotions and with excitement to 'positive' emotions. Irrelevant of what empathy is, I am a kind person. I was brought up to be kind and polite, to put others first (although I took that to extremes at times) and I try very hard to be. It may be an intellectual exercise rather than innate but I don't think that it's all that important as to which, surely the fact that I am kind and caring is what counts?!
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Hi girls, sorry to butt in.
I've been thinking about empathy for some time now. I'm writting a list of my traits for my mother, hoping she may come to some understanding of me. I'm high functioning, so most of my traits are not obvious to people. But I still struggle in my own hidden ways.
This thinking is; The experts that study Autism and write up the diagnostic materials are NT's. They have a particular view of the word and expectation. They set the standard. When two NT's talk with one another, they transfer and recieve emotions. When Autistic people talk, we don't pick up most of the emotional transfer, and probably don't send too much either. This lack of transfer has caused these experts to believe we don't have empathy, but that is wrong, we do, it's simplly a different empathy.
Like others here, I can't watch the news. The emotional overload for a murder article is too much. I read the book by Donna Williams "nobody nowhere" and cried for most of the book.
I believe we simply have a different type of emotion, or perhaps different situational emotion. We are simply different, not "without" as they like to tell us.
I often feel I have too much empathy, since childhood on. With animals, sad people, and so forth. I always found the idea of being an un-empathic person very insulting, considering how much I actually suffered due to having too much empathy.
Some of us actually have too much empathy - much more than your average NT in fact. The problem is that this can cause us more stress, and as a result we are often forced to disconnect from it in order to be functional on a daily basis, otherwise it interferes too much.
This.
However, I do relate to what you say about feeling it too much when others are in pain. I am not sure if anyone around here remembers the TV series 'Charmed'? There was an episode where the sisters swapped powers, and Prue got Phoebe's powers as an Empath. Because she wasn't designed to have those powers, she ended up huddled in the corner sobbing and melting down, as all the voices and sensations in the world screamed around her head.
That episode was about 20 years before my diagnosis. But I remember at the time pointing at the screen and saying to my friend "oh my god, that's exactly it, that's what it's like in my head - all the time"
Now I wonder if the person who wrote that was Aspie. In fact I might go and research that now.
Anyway, I got a bit sidetracked there, my point was going to be that, certainly in my case, I might miss some social cues, or it might take me longer than the average NT to pick up on some emotions, but I think what other people see as coldness, or lack of empathy, is more of a defense mechanism I have developed to shut out the overwhelming sensations. You might be onto something with what you say about growing out of things (or maybe finding away to deal with them) because I was certainly a lot more emotional and sensitive as a child.
I think this sums it up beautifully.
I am re-watching all the charmed episodes and that was on the other day. I wouldn't be quite as bad as that but I do over empathize internally. Sometimes externally I am able to show it- in most cases not. One of my therapists kept going on at me for taking on other people's pain. When I hear bad news it stays with me especially if I can relate to it in some way. When I was younger I always thought it was because I was jealous or something twisted like that.
I have been told I come across as cold hearted. I can't sympathize or empathize when people are complaining about everyday or trivial things. That annoys me. I definitely try to disassociate myself or shut down as a defense.
In my view, empathy isn't something you either have or don't have, nor is it a fact that because you display empathy for some people that you do it for everyone else.
So title in a sense is meaningless as many women do have empathy but so do many men, and even then, neither gender is proficient at displaying the most empathy because empathy is circumstantial and limited to a select group of beings (or, in some extreme cases, objects).
This doesn't mean, however, that there aren't those who are so completely devoid of empathy that they only care about themselves. But these people often have certain personality disorders that hinder them from properly imagining things from other's perspectives and feeling their feelings somewhat accurately.
I think descriptions of aspies as lacking empathy just depict what we look like to neurotypicals. Ironically, from my point of view, such descriptions don’t seem very empathic.
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