Slut Walk

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Man, I am really irked by girls who constantly spew "it doesn't matter what I wear, do not rape me. no means no. we have to teach men that rape is wrong." etc

SERIOUSLY? RAPE IS WRONG? no way! I never would have guessed!

Just preaching over and over that rape is wrong isn't going to stop a rapist from raping.
of course nothing CONDONES rape, but A RAPIST doesn't CARE and dressing a certain way is only going to fuel their fire, so to speak.

I honestly think it's only logical that someone should just stop and think, just maybe, "hey, going out wasted to a bar with my breasts almost popping out and in a short little mini-skirt might not be such a good idea." and just have a little bit of responsibility for THEMSELVES for once.

Sober people in non-revealing clothes get raped too.
And rape is always the fault of the rapist. It doesn't happen because women get drunk or wear mini-skirts or whatever, it happens BECAUSE OF PEOPLE WHO RAPE.

So where exactly do you draw the line, misakiflower? A rapist isn’t going to be deterred just because all women start concealing their breasts. Maybe they should wear burkas? Well, when all of them do, that won’t work, either—the rapist will choose a victim anyway and enjoy the surprise when he “unpacks” her. The only safe option, therefore, is that they don’t go outside at all unless escorted by a man able to defend them. Well, they may actually need a bunch of male bodyguards, just in case they’re inviting gang rape.

Maybe there are better approaches. I think if someone deserves to lose their freedom, it is rapists, not all women for their sake. It would also make any interaction with someone of the opposite sex much harder.

That Jill Meager lady who got raped and murdered in Melbourne was wearing a baggy trenchcoat at the time she was raped.

Agreed, the onus is on the perpetrator to conduct themselves in non-sexually violent manner. Still doesn't explain the amount of rape that occurred before revealing clothes were socially acceptable, or in cultures where even ankles must be covered. Rape existed before revealing clothing. It is the perpetrators and the apologist society at large grasping onto these new modern conventions (revealing clothes) and turning them into a scapegoat/tool to place blame back on us.

I can just see myself getting raped in my own home one day and people blaming me because I left the house unlocked for a few minutes (probably gonna be the same people who giggle at me for being the "weirdo" always having the doors locked and the blinds closed).

I don't think there are any circumstances left where we can't be blamed

I know what you mean. On occasion I find myself distracted by a woman's breasts and feel like the worst kind of cliche. If I knew they didn't mind my ...appreciation, I don't think it would bother me. Luckily, I tend to like the rear view which no one notices when they're walking away.

I live directly at the border to the woods, they are starting right behind me. So I often get to see lots of rabbits, wild boars, deers, wild chickens from now to then and so on. Never in my whole life was I forced to shoot an animal only because I saw it. I dont think that putting flash lights on a deer would suddenly force me to do elseway.

As it is my will and my responsibility to think that people that are insulting people, that havent done anything, out of fun by using the word slut, should better start to think about their own actions, their own will and their own responsibility for their behaving.

I do absolutely accept, that I have a free will to decide that I want to shoot a deer, and if its lightened brightly with flashlights, this will be much easier for me. But the desicion IF I want to shoot a deer or not is still my owns, so I am the one to be made responsible for my actions. If I shoot a wild boar with flashlights on it, its still my desicion responsible for shooting, not the wild boar is guiding my weapon with magic powers, not the flashlights is guiding my weapon with magic powers, its simply and without any magic my own will.

And why do rapists not care? Because peopel as you come and tell them, that it was not them being responsible but the bad horrible woman, that refuses to take the responsibility for her forcing the poor man to rape her.

The more people believe this nonsense in a country, the more rapings are about to happen. Simply because if you are told from youth on, you simply believe this s**t.

If there is a brandnew, braod, straight road in front of me, that would allow me to drive 100 mph on it. Who is the one responsible if I choose to do so? Me or the street?

It's not about the rapist, it's about everyone else who blames the woman for how she dressed, or how she acted, or how she was assumed to have acted.

In other words, it is aimed at critiquing and denouncing perspectives like those you express above - hostile toward women (and yes, I realize you are a woman) and making excuses for rapists, even though there is no excuse.

The fact that anyone thinks that the victim of a crime must be torn to pieces because of assumptions about her behavior, mode of dress, or sexuality, and be treated as complicit in the crime committed against her is one of the reasons for the Slutwalk - to counter that BS.

Is there really an epidemic of rape victims being blamed for the whole thing because of how they were dressed? Or are these slut-walks really just an excuse for shouty young women to get together and demand the right to walk round in their underwear in the name of "liberty"?

Disclaimers:
No, I do not condone rape.
No, I don't think dressing a certain way means women are asking to be raped.

Yeah, there is actually. Almost every girl I know who has been simply doesn't talk about it because much of the time when they do, the first thing they get is victim blaming. The fact that they won't or can't talk about it stops public discussion, despite how common it is (especially here).

A lot of women who have this happen to them - their friends drop them completely, often the person they are dating leaves them too. The police themselves often accuse the victim of dressing "wrong". I won't even go into what happens if you take it to court - but of course every time somebody does, that is of course brought up by the defence,.

It's only "logical" if you are a neanderthal.

Would you say the same thing if a gang of thugs attacked and beat you up simply because of how you were dressed? Would you say the same thing if your word was ridiculed and you were the subject of smirks and whispering campaigns if you tried to defend yourself?

The "little bit of responsibility" for sexual assault is on the perpetrator, not the victim.

Blaming the victim for crimes committed against her (or him) is ignorant, insulting, and no longer acceptable in an enlightened civilization.

Is this argument akin to saying that if I am on the subway and leave my bag unzipped and my coin purse is clearly visible, then my bag will be more tempting to the pick-pocket than the person who's bag is zipped and has no valuables visible?

Stealing is wrong, but keeping your valuables out of site is sensible.

For example I know someone who left her purse sitting on the front seat of her car. Someone smashed the window and stole the purse. Is she partly responsible for the crime because she was stupid enough to leave a valuable item in plain site? Yes, no one should steal or break other people's property, but she shouldn't have left it in plain site. The theif was in the wrong, but she could have taken action to avert the crime. Am I victim blaming her? (Actually, I know that I'm victim blaming, but to me it's a matter of logic.)

I can't believe no body has countered my argument. I only made it to continue what I consider to be an important topic and air an argument that may people feel is valid. I worry about young women and want them to be safe when out having fun.

But an important point I can't seem to recall being brought up in this thread is that the majority of cases of sexual violence aimed at women comes from someone known by the women either a partner, colleague or friend. No amount of modest dress will avert the perpetrator know to the woman if he is the kind of man who thinks violence against women is ok.

What I really want is a world where women can wear what they want, walk down any street they want at anytime of day or night and have relationships with men where they feel safe. But unfortunately we don't live in a nice fluffy world like that.

It's a crying shame we even need to have debates like this.

Women should never feel ashamed if they are assaulted.

I don’t think the analogy applies, because the “valuable” is the woman herself. It’s not like it’ll be any less obvious just because she dresses one way or other.

Wow, comparing women's bodies to personal property that is at risk of being stolen, that made so much sense when women were legally considered personal property that could be owned.

That's not the case in most developed nations anymore.

Please don't compare our bodies to cash or electronics. We're humans. And rape is not theft. Sexual assault is not theft.