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06 Dec 2013, 6:29 am

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Yop, thats what I meant. With an grown up husband, I dont expect, to look everywhere, if he left something as its not supposed to be. And as the word toilette seat mentions, its supposed to be used while sitting. Thats what its designed for. That I need to look behind a child, if it lefts everything propperly is normal. But an adult, unable to use a toilette seat = use it and leave it as it was before, just as everything else in the house, so that noone else needs to go behind you and care that you leave everything the way it was, may it be kitchen, bath, toilette, ... is nothing that you expect from grown up people. You could as well say, that I need to expect, that you leave a mess in the kitchen, and that there could be something slippery on the floor, because of me needing to be aware, that men should be totally stupid, and so unknowing, that they would not know, that if you loose something slippery on the kitchen floor, that you clean that up, before leaving the kitchen.

But I dont think of men being that stupid. I relie on them, being totally able to use their brain as every other human being on earth and so not leaving the kitchen, when having lost something slippery on the floor, without cleaning that. You simply leave rooms, as you find them. Easy rule.


I am still not understanding you, are you equating leaving the seat up to dirtying the kitchen?

And why the man is supposed to leave it as it was before and not the woman leaves it as it was up before?

The adult should know when to use the seat, when you go to bathroom you adjust the seat, if it's up so you can sit on it, you can't rely on your husband or anyon else to put the seat down before because so you don't fall in. If you do, then you would be the one behaving like a child, not your husband.

Are you getting me now?



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06 Dec 2013, 6:56 am

Adjusting the toilette SEAT to SITTing.

The majority of the people simply is aware that the normal position of a toilette SEAT, an thing that is constructed to be used SITTing, thats why the invention was called SEAT, is for SITTing.

If you leave something, then as a grown up you are supposed to leave it normal. Blaming people, that they need to be aware, of you leaving everything abnormal behind you, is weird. If I go into the kitchen after you used it, I dont need to be aware that you could have done a slippery mess on the kitchen floor. I am supposed for you being matured enough to leave it behind normal. If I go into the bath after you, I am not supposed to be aware for you leaving it behind dirty. I am supposed for you being matured enough to leave it behind normal.

And if you use the toilette, I am supposed for you being matured enough to leave the toilette seat, the way it was supposed to be: For sitting use.

The thing that was constructed for used for pissing in standing position is called an pissoir. And if you dont live in the australian outback, then stop playing stupid and pretending, you would not know of the existence of it. If you misuse your toilette for something, that it is not constructed for, its ok as long as the people living with you agree to it. But then YOU are supposed the thing, that you misuse for abnormal usement, into the way that it is supposed to be used.

You wont believe it, that is no horrible expectation only upon you poor boy, but on everyone, living with others in a shared place. I am as well supposed to leave things behind me, they way that they are normal, anyway in which way I used them, and if that was supposed to be normal. If the shovel for the cat toilettes break, then I will simply use the smal garden shovel. There is nothing bad about it. But after doing so, I am supposed to bring the garden shovel back into the garden-house, so that after people not being aware, that I might be to stupid to leave things behind me, as they are supposed to be, find it again. The garden house simply is the normal place for garden tools. Thats why people expect it to find it there, anyway if I was forced to misuse it or not. And SEATS are supposed to be used normal while SITTING. If you are unable to understand that, get yourself an own toilette, so people dont have to mess with that and are able to live their live in normal ways, with seats used for sitting.



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06 Dec 2013, 7:03 am

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Adjusting the toilette SEAT to SITTing.

The majority of the people simply is aware that the normal position of a toilette SEAT, an thing that is constructed to be used SITTing, thats why the invention was called SEAT, is for SITTing.

If you leave something, then as a grown up you are supposed to leave it normal. Blaming people, that they need to be aware, of you leaving everything abnormal behind you, is weird. If I go into the kitchen after you used it, I dont need to be aware that you could have done a slippery mess on the kitchen floor. I am supposed for you being matured enough to leave it behind normal. If I go into the bath after you, I am not supposed to be aware for you leaving it behind dirty. I am supposed for you being matured enough to leave it behind normal.

And if you use the toilette, I am supposed for you being matured enough to leave the toilette seat, the way it was supposed to be: For sitting use.

The thing that was constructed for used for pissing in standing position is called an pissoir. And if you dont live in the australian outback, then stop playing stupid and pretending, you would not know of the existence of it. If you misuse your toilette for something, that it is not constructed for, its ok as long as the people living with you agree to it. But then YOU are supposed the thing, that you misuse for abnormal usement, into the way that it is supposed to be used.

You wont believe it, that is no horrible expectation only upon you poor boy, but on everyone, living with others in a shared place. I am as well supposed to leave things behind me, they way that they are normal, anyway in which way I used them, and if that was supposed to be normal. If the shovel for the cat toilettes break, then I will simply use the smal garden shovel. There is nothing bad about it. But after doing so, I am supposed to bring the garden shovel back into the garden-house, so that after people not being aware, that I might be to stupid to leave things behind me, as they are supposed to be, find it again. The garden house simply is the normal place for garden tools. Thats why people expect it to find it there, anyway if I was forced to misuse it or not. And SEATS are supposed to be used normal while SITTING. If you are unable to understand that, get yourself an own toilette, so people dont have to mess with that and are able to live their live in normal ways, with seats used for sitting.



It is not written on the bible or some sacred book that the toilet seat must be down.

It is invented to be movable, it can be down and it can up, you move it up if you are a guy and need to pee, and you move it down if you are a girl and need to pee, It's simple. If anyone fails to use that basic thing then he/she is the one being immature and not grown up.

It's totally ridiculous to equate that to leaving the kitchen clean or any basic hygiene stuff.

And relax Shneek, you're gonna have a heart attack.



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06 Dec 2013, 7:07 am

And oh, health-wise you should put the lid down, not just the seat.

Do you flush while the lid is up and let all the poop/urine particles fly on bathroom walls and on your husband's shaving tools? ewwww



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06 Dec 2013, 7:58 am

^^^ See? Problem solved....



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06 Dec 2013, 7:59 am

That the seat MUST be down, I have not written. You wrote that, so respond yourself for things you write.

I wrote, that its supposed to be normal, that a sitting device, named sitting device, will normally be adjusted to be sitting. It MUST not be that way. But just as shower devices are normally adjusted to being generally used for showers, most people expect sitting devices to be normally adjusted for sitting.

The thing that I dont MUST do, is living with people, that think, that others have to be aware, that they are lazy, and leave things behind them in a way, they are not supposed to be, and to adjust it for them to normal again. This is something I neiter MUST do, nor that I decide to do. If I come back 19:00 in the evening from word, and you expect me to frist go through the house and adjust everything back to normal again, so that I can use my house relaxed and dont need to look for everything, being adjusted to non normal, then you are simply not someone worth sharing my life with.

And yes, as can be read in another thread, as well in the woman forum, my partner and I DO close the lids out of hygienic reasons. For BOTH of us, it is simply not understandable, why some men seem to make a self esteem issue out of terrorizing their living mates on purpose. We both leave things behind, the way it is expected to be, out of respect for our partnership. My husband is not my maiden, as I am not his.



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06 Dec 2013, 9:17 am

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That the seat MUST be down, I have not written. You wrote that, so respond yourself for things you write.

I wrote, that its supposed to be normal, that a sitting device, named sitting device, will normally be adjusted to be sitting. It MUST not be that way. But just as shower devices are normally adjusted to being generally used for showers, most people expect sitting devices to be normally adjusted for sitting.



The thing that I dont MUST do, is living with people, that think, that others have to be aware, that they are lazy, and leave things behind them in a way, they are not supposed to be, and to adjust it for them to normal again. This is something I neiter MUST do, nor that I decide to do. If I come back 19:00 in the evening from word, and you expect me to frist go through the house and adjust everything back to normal again, so that I can use my house relaxed and dont need to look for everything, being adjusted to non normal, then you are simply not someone worth sharing my life with.

And yes, as can be read in another thread, as well in the woman forum, my partner and I DO close the lids out of hygienic reasons. For BOTH of us, it is simply not understandable, why some men seem to make a self esteem issue out of terrorizing their living mates on purpose. We both leave things behind, the way it is expected to be, out of respect for our partnership. My husband is not my maiden, as I am not his.


i am just talking about the toilet seat why are you insisting to extend it to everything?



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06 Dec 2013, 9:31 am

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^^^ See? Problem solved....


Not really, because the western girl who is used to sit on toilet without looking would sit on the lid akwardly and might get herself hurt.



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07 Dec 2013, 4:26 am

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well, at least you've realised by now that whatever problems you two have living together, they will not be about whether the toilet seat stays up or down.

I am so sorry, can I just add one more thing about the toilet seat - I realised I never made this point?

This is really to Boo who seems to be preoccupied by the fact that women requesting toilet seat to be put back down after males have used it is some sort of dominance ploy - Boo, I would like you to consider it from a practical point of view. As a woman, in my own house, I never need to lift the toilet seat up to use the toilet. If a male friend/workman uses the toilet seat in my house, I will fully expect them to put it back down because:

When a guy lifts the toilet seat and takes a pee standing up there will inevitably be splashback on the underside of the toilet seat. Because I will not be wearing the rubber gloves the next time I want to use the toilet, if I touch the seat to put it back down, I will likely be touching someone else's pee. This is to my mind not acceptable. I don't really understand why you would think this is acceptable.

Now, when I clean the toilet, I will wear rubber gloves and therefore not be forced to touch someone's pee on the underside or (heaven forbid) topside of the toilet seat. I realise that most people are probably not germophobic but I am pretty sure that the convention for putting the toilet seat down really is down to the fact that otherwise the next woman to use the toilet will have to touch your pee. Which, again, is just not right.

Phew. Thank you for letting me get that off my chest. I am so sorry for the thread derailment.


The seat is usually wider than the toilet edge, so when the women pee, there will be also an inevitable splashback on the non-covered part of the underside of seat which is more than its half in width, no? Check your toilet, It's even closer to the water in this position. Also the splashback effect would be worse and more disgusting if you were pooping and peeing too.

And while you clean your thing, and oh you people don't use water to cleanse your genitals, it's very probable to get some pee drop on the upside too. So you women not only you inevitably pollute the downside of the seat but also likely to pollute its upside too, and pee is pee, yours isn't more antiseptic and aromatic.

So WHY SHOULD WE MEN TOUCH YOUR PEE?? :lol:



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07 Dec 2013, 4:34 am

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^^^lol. Thread is already derailed, don't worry about.

Thanks for a clear, logical and concise explaination for the toilet seat issue. I'd imagine even MCalavera and Boo would have trouble finding fault in it.

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most importantly....understand the toilet seat thing.

No it's not. You're the ones who made this a thread about toilets. Thanks a lot for that, btw. :x I've never had this argument IRL. This thread is the first time it's ever come up for me.

My point is about being willing to respect your partner's feelings even if you don't understand them. Subjectivism at it's core.

Frankly, I think every Aspie struggling with self-aspect issues could benefit greatly from some moral relativist philosophy. I know I did.

You talk like your an Irish philosopher.

Not sure what that means.........

ism this ism that, ist here ist there, oop, these words are too complicated.

Google searching terms you don't know is complicated? I mentioned these things out of hope that maybe if someone is curious they could learn more on thier own.

Understanding Subjectivism is a good concept for an Aspie to learn becouse it frames theory of the mind in such a way that it becomes much easier to understand the perspectives of others. There are numerous people I've conversed with on here who seem to feel that thier concepts of logic and morality should be taken as literal truth (and they use it as "proof" or "evidence".)

I'm pretty sure most people (regardless of neurology) have this issue. Most NTs can be completely oblivious to this and still function. The problem with being an Aspie is that if we want to be trully socially functioning we actually need to have self-awareness..........and that's a b***h, I know.



Except her logical explanation about pee splashback is true for both genders.



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07 Dec 2013, 6:56 am

Sometimes you want s**t to fall into the toilet. That is when you have the lid open.

Sometimes you don't want s**t to fall into the toilet. That is when you have the lid down.

It's really as simple as that. As a bonus, both men and women go through roughly equal bother each time they use the potty!



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07 Dec 2013, 8:03 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

So WHY SHOULD WE MEN TOUCH YOUR PEE?? :lol:


There is absolutely no reason why you should. Simply pee sitting down. My ex preferred this - I never asked him, he said he was too lazy to pee standing up so we never had a toilet seat issue.

The point is that a male has to sit down to poo and can sit down to pee if he wanted so lifting of the seat is his personal preference. In that case, the onus in on him to put it back down.



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07 Dec 2013, 10:02 am

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I always look at the toilet before sitting down so there is no way I can fall in the toilet. I did once but only because it was the middle of the night and I didn't have the light on so I fell in when I sat because my husband didn't put it down. After that I started to feel it before I sat. In fact I am always putting the cover down because I can't stand looking in there.
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07 Dec 2013, 10:17 am

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The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

So WHY SHOULD WE MEN TOUCH YOUR PEE?? :lol:


There is absolutely no reason why you should. Simply pee sitting down. My ex preferred this - I never asked him, he said he was too lazy to pee standing up so we never had a toilet seat issue.

The point is that a male has to sit down to poo and can sit down to pee if he wanted so lifting of the seat is his personal preference. In that case, the onus in on him to put it back down.


It still doesn't solve the urine drops on the upside.

Best solution a quick wipe of the seat after every use.



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07 Dec 2013, 10:57 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
leafplant wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

So WHY SHOULD WE MEN TOUCH YOUR PEE?? :lol:


There is absolutely no reason why you should. Simply pee sitting down. My ex preferred this - I never asked him, he said he was too lazy to pee standing up so we never had a toilet seat issue.

The point is that a male has to sit down to poo and can sit down to pee if he wanted so lifting of the seat is his personal preference. In that case, the onus in on him to put it back down.


It still doesn't solve the urine drops on the upside.

Best solution a quick wipe of the seat after every use.


Good solution. Actually, I tend to lift the seat at work because I don't want to sit down on a public toilet - but I also always put it back down. To not do it would be very inconsiderate.

However, another thing just occurred to me - situational differences - I've already mentioned that in my house I always have the lid down on all toilets. To me that's hygienic and flushing with the lid down is a must.

However, in the public restrooms I can get very confused and not sure what is the best tactic. For one - I am trying to avoid touching with my hands or other parts of my body anything that another person may have touched with theirs - except you can't really help it because of the door knobs but anyway, point being, is that if I the lid is down in the public restroom it is sometimes code for 'this toilet is blocked by gross things, you are best to go elsewhere'; so now I have to remember to take the lid back up after flushing so that people can see it's a clean bowl when they come in because there is nothing worse than coming across someone else's mess (some people have 0 manners when it comes to using the facilities).



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07 Dec 2013, 11:00 am

I never knew people got so fired up over toilet seats. I find it kind of hard to imagine someone "falling in", in all my 28 years I've never even come close to doing that.