Only a manipulator and narcissist would offer these seminars

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To be fair most people are just turned off completely by that stuff. I suspect alot of these PUA's have antisocial type personalities (narcissists socio's etc) so I imagine they have a very mechanised manipulative view of the whole romance thing

All of my sexual partners have eventually confessed to wanting more sexual violence than I was interested in initiating, I thought sex was about love and love was about being nice, but I'm willing to admit when I'm wrong.
Maybe this guy has a non-NT POV. Non-NT POV can really piss people off. Honesty pisses people off, truth hurts.

Apparently one can Make it Hurt so Good, if you listen to the song, I reckon.

It's remarkable how inflamed everyone is, usually when a person is completely wrong everybody just ignores them.

That's a different context i.e. a relationship whether casual or serious. There's trust implicit in that. Doing these things to women who havent explicitly asked is serious territory.

Yes, that's a very cogent distinction. Apples and pears.

Maybe

I've also had women say they didn't want to have to ask for flowers, surprise gifts, or that I clean the garage.
Explicitly asking to be raped defeats the whole point. I'd reckon.
I want my lover to be thrilled with our sex life without having to have a "Sexual Relationship Agreement" like something off of The Big Bang Theory.

I've noticed that nearly all women I've listened to, act like they hate sex and always have hated sex, every single time they've had it.
I've noticed that the women I've had sex with certainly didn't act like they hated it at all, they acted more like they'd let a bowl of double chocolate chocolate chip ice cream with extra chocolate topping melt into the carpet rather than interrupt our activities.
(I've noticed that women like double chocolate chocolate chip ice cream kind of a lot, especially without carpet lint in it)
I've also noticed that women get really pissed off when some guy reveals some "secret" to relationships that kind of front streets how the women really think and what they really want.

And now I've noticed that women are really pissed off at Julien Blanc. Curious huh.
Well makes me curious, sounds like someone thinks he might be spilling the beans on them.

I'm Autistic, the difference isn't obvious to me.
If women want something from me it's only fair to give that serious consideration.

Apples and pears are still fruit.
Perhaps you mean Apples and the Bolivian Navy on Maneuvers.

Good men and abusive men are still both men... it's largely irrelevant to where this thread started though, and would prefer to focus on the toxic nature of what this man is doing and ways in which opposition to what he is doing is growing.

So how was it? His seminar I mean. Was morning tea included?

so the victims are even worse than the abuser? and it's their fault? no. don't be so hard on them. it's never a victims fault and a pua is trained to manipulate so the person won't know what hit them till it's too late to wriggle out of the situation. women are socialised to react the way they did and sometimes that reaction is the only safe one. also if victim blaming is your opinion probably keep it inside. nobody needs to hear/read that.

http://www.newstatesman.com/future-proo ... e-thinking

The link that cites Elliot Rodger as a member of a PUA member hate forum. Interesting...


Blanc was due to enter Japan today. If he did I hope he has a very bad time there. He pushed one Japanese woman's face into his crutch in the past, I have read. Suspect that it is probably true

1041b -

I may be one of these women of whom you speak. I love sex. Never said differently, but I also recognise that embracing sexuality can have social consequences. I wouldn't describe myself as a slut - i think it's a nasty word. But just being open about sexuality means I could attract that label.

I also like 'vigorous' sex - sometimes bordering on painful. Not all the time, but part of the mix. I see a HUGE difference between unprompted bringing of flowers and unprompted rough sex. I think putting them on the same plane is some really crazy thinking. I can also respect my male partner's wish not to engage in these activities.

Informed consent means everything....or at least it should, imo.

All PUA's want IN, and they will do or say anything to get IN.

It is about power. Any man who will lie, manipulate or force is not worth one second of your time.

All women/womyn deserve better, and should expect no less.

Coming in advocating illegal activity is going to tend to get you looked at by the immigration authorities of any country you enter that you are not a citizen of.

Hear hear!

Uuumm....no.

I think the guy is a toolbag, and if you think that means I secretly want to be grabbed and molested, you're more than welcome to test that hypothesis; however, you'll be ending your day with fewer bits than you started it with.

Ah yes. The How To Be A Rapist, guy.

I thoroughly disagree that outrage is a signal that the 'secrets' out. People are outraged by murders and paedophilia and torture. It doesnt mean they secretly want to engage in them. It means they find it abhorrent. To be honest this whole....well I think she secretly wants it has been the justification for rape for centuries. I wouldnt cling too closely to that defense or idea. People can look at abhorrent behaviour and say, no I dont want that. If we simply ignored the atrocities above they would continue to happen unabated.