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ghouna
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06 Aug 2008, 8:27 am

I am muslim! (convert)



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06 Aug 2008, 12:02 pm

Apparently child marriage is still a problem, although maybe not that common, in some countries.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26042107/



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06 Aug 2008, 4:06 pm

Another GREAT place for hajib is www.alhannah.com. They ship from NY, so I assume they are located there, as well. Some of the clothing there is gorgeous, and their prices are extremely reasonable. A friend of mine shops there, and I've bought some lovely scarves and pants from them.



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07 Aug 2008, 7:51 am

I like shalwar kameez but sometimes people will ask me why I am wearing my pyjamas around. I like the wider pant leg ones but not the Patiala ones. I think they would make me look really fat. I should sew my own but I need to shop in the Indian district to get the fabric.

Shalwar kameez is just so comfortable in the heat and you don't have to worry about anyone seeing something they should not. Your legs are covered, the top covers your butt and you have sleeves.

So if I go into a store to buy a headcovering, do I have to be covered? Would it be just ok to go in their uncovered and ask for help?



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08 Aug 2008, 1:24 pm

I am a pagan, and I love the hijab and why it is worn, I sometimes wear a large purple scarf like a bandanna, but you can't see any of my hair. My mom saw me with it one time and said "why are you covering up you lovely curly hair? People should see it"

I asked 'why?'

I was never one to keep up apperances, I care more about comfort then looks, and the head-scarf is quite comfotable.

Can non-muslims wear hijabls? of course they can, it has the same meaning no matter what faith wears it.


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09 Aug 2008, 9:33 am

Chibi_Neko wrote:

Can non-muslims wear hijabls? of course they can, it has the same meaning no matter what faith wears it.


before i became a muslim, i was wearing hijab! It made me more feminine, proud to be me, and i dont know, i felt so much better than i used too. I converted 6 months later.



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10 Aug 2008, 9:25 am

How can people complain that I don't shave my legs all the time if they can't see them? No one needs to see my fat butt and my cellulite except my husband.

Really, when I was younger and unmarried, no one should have had to see it all either. I hated being on the "meet market". I wanted someone to love me for who I am, not what my image was. I am really proud of some girls for covering up.



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12 Aug 2008, 2:46 pm

That's the awesome thing about hijabs, it forces people to focus more on you then your looks, and that's the way it should be anyway.


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25 Aug 2008, 9:12 am

Hello, i'm moslem female from Indonesia. :D I hope I'm wecome here :oops:



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25 Aug 2008, 5:38 pm

Assalam alaikum, sisters,

I'm American, living in Cairo and I've been Muslim for about 12 years now. Glad to meet others.



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26 Aug 2008, 5:15 am

I'm not a Muslim, rather I'm Wiccan, but I am rather curious about the religion. Its one of the main religions at my school, though I don't have any friends of it.

If you don't mind though, I'd like to ask a question. I was wondering why exactly Muslim women cover up their skin and faces. Is it something that is stated in the Koran, or is it something that has formed over time and/or by choice.

Not meaning to appear rude or anything, and feel free to ignore this. Personally, I'd quite like to have one, but I can name several people in my family who would start to worry about my sanity (They worry about it enough as it is, with me being Wiccan and them being Christian)



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26 Aug 2008, 5:29 am

what is wiccan?


We dont have to cover only the skin and faces. It is not only a dress style, it is also a behaviour.

* What is Hijab?

Hijab is the dress that covers the adornment of the Muslim woman, on one condition that it won't be adornment by itself. In other words, the Islamic definition of hijab is the dress that covers whatever might arouse instincts. It is what would keep a woman safe, not only in her own society but wherever she goes. It should be noticed that the way it’s worn does not arouse the sexual appeal for both men and women.

Despite these points, hijab is not old fashioned as some might claim. On the contrary, a Muslim woman needs to be careful of her appearance. She needs not only to be neat, but very well dressed too.

Yet, hijab as a dress, does not have the same rank of importance as manners and behaviors have. It is crucially important for a Muslim woman to behave well when wearing her hijab, because her behavior will give an impression to the dress she is wearing on the one hand, and to the religion itself on the other.

* The Legislation of Hijab:

The proof that would come to mind when talking about the obligation of hijab is the verses 30-31 in Surah 24 of the Holy Qur’an, which give the meaning of:

*{Tell the believing men to lower their gaze and be modest. That is purer for them. Lo! Allah is Aware of what they do. And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms, and not to reveal their adornment save to their own husbands or fathers or husbands’ fathers, or their sons or their husbands' sons, or their brothers or their brothers' sons or sisters’ sons, or their women, or their slaves, or male attendants who lack vigor, or children who know naught of women's nakedness. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And turn unto Allah together, O believers, in order that ye may succeed.}*

These verses clearly reveal the idea that a Muslim woman should wear her hijab according to God’s commands. I need here to confirm a point that even that in the previous verses the word hijab was not spelled out in the first place, but Allah Almighty stated ‘good behaviors’ as a ‘prerequisite’ to hijab.

Christianity, as well as Islam, figured how important it is for a woman to wear hijab. We can easily see that the nuns are still wearing their own hijab and the society in large see this as a normal condition. Whereas, when it comes to Islam all voices come against the idea itself. It is quite obvious nowadays that hijab is been fought not only refused in some societies.

* Why is it Heavenly Legislated to Wear Hijab?

In other words: does it have any effect on the society as a Whole?

When we are discussing hijab, it might come to one’s mind that it’s a kind of marginalization of women, who have to preserve their beauty away from the eyes of all the people except the woman’s husband or some chosen ones of her relatives. But is it really true that hijab causes women to be belittled or marginalized? To be able to answer this question we may look at the advantages of its wearing for both women and society.

Research shows that one of its most important advantages is ‘the security of the society’ that clears it from crimes, rape, incest, harassment in daily life, etc. The other important advantage is for the woman herself who is used to sell her body as if she is a kind of goods that have particular price, not as a woman who has enormous feelings, dignity, and special social status. So, looking only at these two advantages affirms the idea that by taking off their hijab, women become belittled and marginalized, and social crimes are really caused removing it. In other simple words, women have got rid of the cause of their safety.

http://www.readingislam.com/servlet/Sat ... 3996016162


I personnaly wear hijab and jilbab and neqab. Hijab is a dress with a scarf. Jilbab is an outergarment, which comes from head to toe. When i am out i will wear my jibab. But if i am at home, and mu brother inb law( people i can get married to) are here, i will be with my hijab on.
I weat also neqab (face veil). I do that, not because i am the most pretiest girl in town, lol but because it makes me more confortable.

As an kid, i was bullied a lot, and i am not confident about myself. Being covered completely makes me be able to talk to people and to be sure they are not to take me not seriously for the way i look...



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26 Aug 2008, 5:30 am

oops, i forgot. Did you understand my explanation. I looked n the internet for a full explanation but very quickly. I can find better if it is not enough.



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26 Aug 2008, 5:50 am

That's actually a cool, AS-related question for me. I wear black head-to-toe, covering my face and hands. The only thing that shows is my eyes, though there is a see-through flap I can swing down when I want to. With high-quality fabric, it's like wearing nothing. For me (maybe because I see myself fitting the AS pattern - no Dx), this is freedom. I feel invisible.

The command for hijab was sent down in the Qur'an a few years after the hijrah (a very important event in Islamic history and the start of the Muslim calendar) in the following verse:

{O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks all over their bodies. That will be better that they should be known (as respectable women) so as not to be bothered. And Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.}
[Surat al-Ahzab 33:59]

It is mentioned in the hadith (the actions and saying of the Prophet (saws)) that when the women of the city heard this verse, they tore their waistwraps and covered their faces, looking like black ravens.

In Islamic jurisprudence (which brings all evidence together in context), there are actually two opinions on how much must be covered: one opinion includes the hands and the face and the other excludes them. Hijab has six conditions: 1) It must not be tight-fitting, describing the body, 2) It must not be see-through, 3) It must not resemble dress specific to non-Muslims, 4) It must not be attractive in itself, 5) It must not be so unique as to make you famous, and 6) this is lame, but I forgot the last one. Maybe I'll look it up later and edit.

I'm sure this is more info than you were interested in, but whatever.

I remember, before I became Muslim, I once had this dream in the middle of the day that I was in some kind of ice castle, alone, dressed in a huge black cloak with a hood so deep it buried my face and underneath I was wearing a powder-blue beaded or sparkly or somesuch gown. I woke up suddenly, annoyed at the sparkly gown bit. Hijab was pretty easy for me to accept compared to other Americans, I would suspect.



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26 Aug 2008, 6:16 am

ummAR wrote:
Hijab has six conditions: 1) It must not be tight-fitting, describing the body, 2) It must not be see-through, 3) It must not resemble dress specific to non-Muslims, 4) It must not be attractive in itself, 5) It must not be so unique as to make you famous, and 6) this is lame, but I forgot the last one. Maybe I'll look it up later and edit.



I think it is 7 conditions

1) covering the all body
2/ must not be display (plain garnement, not with beads, different colors everywhere..)
3/must not be transparent
4/ not tight
5/ must not be perfumed
6/shouldn't resemble the dress of a man
7/must not resemble the garments of non muslim



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26 Aug 2008, 6:35 am

ghouna wrote:
what is wiccan?


Oh, Wiccan is a neo-pagan religion which is based on Spirituality and nature.

Thanks for the answers to my question. It seems like a fair rule really, considering that with it you cannot be judged by looks and people have to judge you for what you say and do. I say that, because I've heard many people complain about having to wear it.

Thanks again :)