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19 Jan 2009, 10:57 pm

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If you have any idea how you might work it by all means make it known.


The way it would work is that men politely stay out of threads in this forum, the same way adults politely stay out of threads in the kids' forum.

Go ahead and lurk, but unless you have something positive to add that we haven't thought of, it probably isn't any of your business. There are always going to be threads that aren't about you, or me, or whoever, because of what the subject is. For example, I typically don't even bother to read the NVLD threads anymore, because that doesn't affect me. I'd just be annoying if I popped in and put my two cents worth in. Same here.



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20 Jan 2009, 3:41 am

its about the other sex, its for feminism activists



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20 Jan 2009, 11:34 am

Anemone wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
If you have any idea how you might work it by all means make it known.


The way it would work is that men politely stay out of threads in this forum, the same way adults politely stay out of threads in the kids' forum.

Go ahead and lurk, but unless you have something positive to add that we haven't thought of, it probably isn't any of your business. There are always going to be threads that aren't about you, or me, or whoever, because of what the subject is. For example, I typically don't even bother to read the NVLD threads anymore, because that doesn't affect me. I'd just be annoying if I popped in and put my two cents worth in. Same here.


I stay out of the kids threads only because it doesn't interest me. I have no problem posting in the parent thread even though I am not a parent.

What you are talking about is very subjective. I do try to do as you say.

Medical issues overlap. We share an awful lot of anatomy. Beside many issue discussed are about much broader issues There are posts started by men that are popular, you have posted in one.

You are wrong about the NVLD threads, don’t censor yourself. Labels like NVLD and Asperger’s are fast going into the history books. Really, if you talk to a growing number of experts they will tell you that NVLD is just a subset of Asperger’s and Asperger’s is just a subset the autistic spectrum (ASD). Also the requirements for these types of ASD are needlessly arbitrary. Cookie cutter requirements if you like. There is no reason to assume that any one of these defined in any diagnostic manual is the only form higher functioning autism. In the reality the spectrum is multidimensional. Not the one dimensional as it is often represented, with plenty of contradictory points on it. Case and point with PDD-NOS many diagnosticians who are not researchers treat this as a specific point on the spectrum, and there is no consensus between them, when clearly if they understood what the initials meant they wouldn’t be doing this.

Finally, I think attitudes like this lead down the resentment road, and people don't really learn anything about each other. If you find yourself censoring and restricting yourself from learning that is sad.



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20 Jan 2009, 2:30 pm

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its about the other sex, its for feminism activists


LOL! :lol:
I have explained why Alex moved the men's forum and then deleted it, It is beginning to seem like you just want to go on and on about something that actually does not concern you. (Alex's administration of the site)

Go start a fight somewhere else.
I mean it, benjimanbreeg, do not make this something it is not.

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20 Jan 2009, 7:04 pm

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benjimanbreeg wrote:
its about the other sex, its for feminism activists


LOL! :lol:
I have explained why Alex moved the men's forum and then deleted it, It is beginning to seem like you just want to go on and on about something that actually does not concern you. (Alex's administration of the site)

Go start a fight somewhere else.
I mean it, benjimanbreeg, do not make this something it is not.

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anything else that purposely causes conflict with other members
behavior intended to provoke or belittle other members;

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I've made my point. I'm not trying to fight. I'm just against this thread. "Where men stand" :eew: But i'll just keep me trap shut now :hmph:



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16 Feb 2009, 6:19 pm

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20 May 2009, 5:27 pm

So, being an MTF transexual, where do i stand???



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28 May 2009, 8:27 am

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So, being an MTF transexual, where do i stand???


The fact you even felt you had to ask is not really a good sign...


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28 May 2009, 10:35 am

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So, being an MTF transexual, where do i stand???


The fact you even felt you had to ask is not really a good sign...


Everyone has differing views, might as well figure out what the consensus is here... Its not my place to judge myself in the eyes of others in a purely social context geared towards those who are to make the judgement for me. I know how I would answer the question, but it is not for me to answer.



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01 Jun 2009, 10:44 am

I didn't have time to read through this entire thread, but I did read the first 6 pages. As such, this post will be a reply to the sentiments originally present in this thread.

Men can't fondle your breasts or bump into your crotch in an internet forum, so all of that is really irrelevant here.

Disciplinary action can be taken action against individuals who make lewd or inappropriate comments whether the person is male or female. Asinine posts by any gender, along with posts by men, will be deleted whenever a moderator gets around to it. You won't be saving yourself any trouble with offensive posts by deleting men's posts as a rule. It will serve no useful purpose. This point is irrelevant.

I can't think of any other reasons to ban men from these boards that don't involve hatred for men, stereotyping of men, or feelings of insecurity or shame regarding who and what you are. Those are all personal issues that you need to work on--and overcome. They don't deserve to be perpetuated by discriminating against people based on the hormones coursing through their veins.

For those of you who think that men treat you like a beast: don't you see the hypocrisy here? You're making generalized statements about men that make them out to look like beasts, and you have the audacity to complain about this? Well damn, if so many men (including the ones you've met) are so inconsiderate, perverse, and domineering that NONE of us deserve a voice in this forum, I guess that should work the other way, too, right? Screw individualism. Many women, including most of those I've met, are irrational, whiny, and overly emotional. I guess we should preclude ALL of you from working in businesses where you MIGHT not go the extra mile where a male worker MIGHT, or where communication MIGHT be disrupted because you're too sensitive to approach. Right? Screw individualism.

Sexism is sexism. You either know how to treat people fairly, as individuals, regardless of their race or gender, or you are a bigot. Think about that for a while.



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01 Jun 2009, 11:33 am

I don't see it as men being banned or sexism, or me having a problem. I would simply prefer it if men politely refrained from posting here, because this is a women's area. I don't want to be talking with the ladies here about something sensitive that women experience (periods, breasts, abuse) to have a man reply or make a less than constructive remark.

I'm not downing anyone, but I've personally read many posts here and saw where a woman was asking if there were other ladies on here who were bisexual or lesbian, and got a crude comment from a man. There were sarcastic replies from male posters when a woman was trying to ask if other women had experienced sexual harassment.
Also, there was a thread about not liking to have breasts, and I was happy I could have a matter of fact groan, all girls together. But then a well meaning man said "It's ok, I think small breasts are hot" and that changed it from women talking about something they have in common to a man bringing his opinion and a sexual element into it. Even if he had a good intent. I'm feeling uncomfortable being open in Women's Discussion because I don't want remarks like that about what I say.

Read the topic description! Women's discussion, where women can feel safe to be themselves.
Of course you can't stop people reading anything, but I'd be willing to refrain from posting or even stay out of a mens forum so they could discuss things without embarrassment- and I'd like that same courtesy please.

After all- If these things are replied to a lot by men, sensitive topics being discussed by the women here draw a lot of justifying or hostile remarks from male posters, and women are told to refrain from posting if they don't want men horning in on the topic- then why don't we just talk about these things in the general discussion then, or keep our mouths shut? What's the point even having a Women's Discussion at all?
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01 Jun 2009, 11:52 am

activebutodd:
I don't mean to be rude, but your post is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

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I don't see it as men being banned or sexism, or me having a problem. I would simply prefer it if men politely refrained from posting here, because this is a women's area. I don't want to be talking with the ladies here about something sensitive that women experience (periods, breasts, abuse) to have a man reply or make a less than constructive remark.


Something sensitive that men, and men only, shouldn't see or respond to? Sounds like an insecurity issue to me. Why do you care if I read or reply to something, if what I have to say is constructive or even supportive?
And let's just say that all posts by men were deleted, per the original plan for this forum. Those less than constructive remarks would be deleted no sooner or later than if the person was, in fact, a woman. Nothing would've been gained.

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I'm not downing anyone, but I've personally read many posts here and saw where a woman was asking if there were other ladies on here who were bisexual or lesbian, and got a crude comment from a man. There were sarcastic replies from male posters when a woman was trying to ask if other women had experienced sexual harassment.
Also, there was a thread about not liking to have breasts, and I was happy I could have a matter of fact groan, all girls together. But then a well meaning man said "It's ok, I think small breasts are hot" and that changed it from women talking about something they have in common to a man bringing his opinion and a sexual element into it. Even if he had a good intent. I'm feeling uncomfortable being open in Women's Discussion because I don't want remarks like that about what I say.


Again, same as above. Whether the person is male or not, the post would be visited by a moderator in the same amount of time. Right?

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Read the topic description! Women's discussion, where women can feel safe to be themselves.
Of course you can't stop people reading anything, but I'd be willing to refrain from posting or even stay out of a mens forum so they could discuss things without embarrassment- and I'd like that same courtesy please.

After all- If these things are replied to a lot by men, sensitive topics being discussed by the women here draw a lot of justifying or hostile remarks from male posters, and women are told to refrain from posting if they don't want men horning in on the topic- then why don't we just talk about these things in the general discussion then, or keep our mouths shut? What's the point even having a Women's Discussion at all?
:shrug:


We have a women's discussion forum for the same reason we have mathematics forums that don't delete posts from anyone who isn't a mathematician. It's the topic of discussion. In that forum, you talk about things related to math. In this forum, you talk about things related to women or being a woman. The different forums exist, in my opinion, as an organizational tool to help readers and posters find the topics they're interested in, not to discriminate against people or create some kind of private sub-community.

I respect and fully support any person's desire only to keep asinine posts out of their threads, especially when the topic is of a personal nature; however, I'm not ignorant or intolerant enough to exclude any group of people. Why don't we have an all whites board where we can all get down and talk about reverse racism, etc, without those awful blackies coming in and mucking everything up? Similarly, why don't we have an african american board where we can talk about oppression and African-American culture without those nosy whities perverting everything? IMHO it's because it's wrong--no matter where, why, or to what degree this mentality is applied.

It's fundamentally flawed.



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01 Jun 2009, 6:48 pm

Alex had a 'men's only forum' and it was moved into the Adult forum on Thu May 03, 2007.

it's Alex's site he did as he does, go figure. :roll:


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01 Jun 2009, 7:44 pm

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Alex had a 'men's only forum' and it was moved into the Adult forum on Thu May 03, 2007.


Well, thats not suprising, no, not at all.


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01 Jun 2009, 7:59 pm

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sinsboldly wrote:
Alex had a 'men's only forum' and it was moved into the Adult forum on Thu May 03, 2007.


Well, thats not suprising, no, not at all.


it was mostly an 'adult' forum anyway IIRC


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01 Jun 2009, 8:00 pm

And still I go unanswered...