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25 Oct 2009, 2:42 pm

I say, if the boys wish to discuss periods, uterine discomfort, ovarian cysts, cervical issues, and tampons, they can stay.

I'm sure they'll all find it utterly fascinating. :p



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25 Oct 2009, 3:46 pm

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I say, if the boys wish to discuss periods, uterine discomfort, ovarian cysts, cervical issues, and tampons, they can stay.

I'm sure they'll all find it utterly fascinating. :p


and bloating, lots and lots of bloating. . . :D


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24 Dec 2009, 6:17 am

If there's a sub-forum dedicated to Women's issues where men have unequal rights, there should also be a sub-forum dedicated to Men's issues where women have unequal rights.

The whole concept of this subforum without an equivalent sub-forum for men is discriminatory and offensive towards men. I guess feminist radicals even seem to have managed to influence the Aspie community (in spite of the low number of Aspie females) with their crap if some of us seriously believe that women have some special kind of gnosis unfamiliar to men.



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26 Dec 2009, 4:12 am

I came here hoping to find a place to safely discuss womens issues and the entire thread is consumed with men vying to have their egos soothed (venting sorry). I believe many many men have valid opinions and can be appropriate I experienced this tonight on on the wrongplanet alt chat . Men claiming to be restraining themselves from behaving badly took the conversation to the adult room then as soon as a serious subject (abuse) came up all were gentlemen and i was quite impressed with their respect of boundaries. If you are capable of this you are welcome to respond to me but otherwise I would like to further discuss making this a safe and primarily self identified female discussion place , it is desperately needed. :?



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26 Dec 2009, 6:19 am

ilivinamushroom wrote:
I came here hoping to find a place to safely discuss womens issues and the entire thread is consumed with men vying to have their egos soothed (venting sorry). I believe many many men have valid opinions and can be appropriate I experienced this tonight on on the wrongplanet alt chat . Men claiming to be restraining themselves from behaving badly took the conversation to the adult room then as soon as a serious subject (abuse) came up all were gentlemen and i was quite impressed with their respect of boundaries. If you are capable of this you are welcome to respond to me but otherwise I would like to further discuss making this a safe and primarily self identified female discussion place , it is desperately needed. :?


No one is perfect, but I'm sure most of the Aspie males are willing to be careful and respectful when very sensitive topics are touched. I'm sure I would....



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26 Dec 2009, 11:25 am

ilivinamushroom wrote:
I came here hoping to find a place to safely discuss womens issues and the entire thread is consumed with men vying to have their egos soothed (venting sorry). I believe many many men have valid opinions and can be appropriate I experienced this tonight on on the wrongplanet alt chat . Men claiming to be restraining themselves from behaving badly took the conversation to the adult room then as soon as a serious subject (abuse) came up all were gentlemen and i was quite impressed with their respect of boundaries. If you are capable of this you are welcome to respond to me but otherwise I would like to further discuss making this a safe and primarily self identified female discussion place , it is desperately needed. :?


This forum is for the discussion of women's issues; if a poster requests that a thread's responses be from women only, by and large that request is respected. The moderation team does work with those posting here to ensure a safe haven - but that does not mean that men are excluded from this forum or unable to post. If you are seeking a site as you describe above, you may wish to look at alternatives such aspergersgirl and others, although I do not know that you will find exactly what you are looking for. If you have a concern about a member posting in here, please contact a moderator - do not opt to engage and create drama in the forums. Thank you.


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26 Dec 2009, 2:31 pm

[quote="makuranososhi"]This forum is for the discussion of women's issues; if a poster requests that a thread's responses be from women only, by and large that request is respected. /quote]

Why? Why not have a similar option for men? Why this blatant discrimination of men in favor of women?

It really sickens me how men are constantly discriminated in the name of "women's rights".



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26 Dec 2009, 2:52 pm

If the single women here have any bloody sense they'll be reading what men's problems are and vice versa. The answer is generally in the middle. Some of the fellas might even be able to help with the non-bodily issues.



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26 Dec 2009, 2:58 pm

Salonfilosoof wrote:
makuranososhi wrote:
This forum is for the discussion of women's issues; if a poster requests that a thread's responses be from women only, by and large that request is respected. /quote]

Why? Why not have a similar option for men? Why this blatant discrimination of men in favor of women?

It really sickens me how men are constantly discriminated in the name of "women's rights".


Salon, if you'll read back:

There was a Men's Discussion. The decision was made to dissolve it, with most posts relevant to men getting split between Love & Dating, InDepth Adult Discussion, and Adult Autism Issues. There is a sticky in the In-Depth forum for men's issues, but there has never been cause or sufficient demand to consider bringing the forum back. There are myriad places here for men; the question I have is why you are threatened by the existence of a forum for women...?


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26 Dec 2009, 3:10 pm

makuranososhi wrote:
There was a Men's Discussion. The decision was made to dissolve it, with most posts relevant to men getting split between Love & Dating, InDepth Adult Discussion, and Adult Autism Issues. There is a sticky in the In-Depth forum for men's issues, but there has never been cause or sufficient demand to consider bringing the forum back. There are myriad places here for men; the question I have is why you are threatened by the existence of a forum for women...?


I am not threatened by the existence of a forum for women. I simply feel unjustly treated when a woman can decide to have my posts deleted if she feels uncomfortably with it just because this happens to be a woman's section, whereas men have no such option anywhere on this forum. It's discriminatory and offensive to men ! ! ! !



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26 Dec 2009, 4:21 pm

i agree with solonfilsoof that its sexist (not sure if i spelt it right(not sure if i spel anything right)) anyway... it is sexist.



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26 Dec 2009, 7:35 pm

the entirety of the wrong planet discussions are open to all genders , is it possible to respect this one place ?



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26 Dec 2009, 9:16 pm

Salonfilosoof wrote:
makuranososhi wrote:
There was a Men's Discussion. The decision was made to dissolve it, with most posts relevant to men getting split between Love & Dating, InDepth Adult Discussion, and Adult Autism Issues. There is a sticky in the In-Depth forum for men's issues, but there has never been cause or sufficient demand to consider bringing the forum back. There are myriad places here for men; the question I have is why you are threatened by the existence of a forum for women...?


I am not threatened by the existence of a forum for women. I simply feel unjustly treated when a woman can decide to have my posts deleted if she feels uncomfortably with it just because this happens to be a woman's section, whereas men have no such option anywhere on this forum. It's discriminatory and offensive to men ! ! ! !


Pardon? Where you get the impression that a woman can decide to delete your post? The only individuals that can remove a post are the members of the moderation team. Under the rules and ToS agreed to upon signing up, you agree that those moderators can remove, redact or edit your post if it does not comply with the site's rules. So if a post is inappropriate, and/or is complained about, then it will be addressed accordingly.

What discussion do you have that you cannot bring up in one of the existing forums? This subject has come up repeatedly, and the answer has remained the same - it was tried, was not considered effective, and was dissolved between three other subforums. I'm male, and I'm not offended by this space for women... and I can't find a reason to be. If men were forbidden to participate, I could see more of an argument, but that is not the case - the male members have a responsibility to post and respond appropriately in the Women's Discussion forum, that is all.

mushroom, while I appreciate your concern, this forum has functioned well for quite some time. If you have issues, please contact a moderator. However, it is somewhat disconcerting when a new member starts complaining about something they have not thoroughly tried at this point.


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27 Dec 2009, 6:37 am

makuranososhi wrote:
Pardon? Where you get the impression that a woman can decide to delete your post?


You said : "This forum is for the discussion of women's issues; if a poster requests that a thread's responses be from women only, by and large that request is respected. " This implies that they can have posts by men deleted (or not allowed) just because they are men. That's incredibly sexist and I find that very offensive as a man.

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What discussion do you have that you cannot bring up in one of the existing forums? This subject has come up repeatedly, and the answer has remained the same - it was tried, was not considered effective, and was dissolved between three other subforums. I'm male, and I'm not offended by this space for women... and I can't find a reason to be.


If I'm interested in topic in the "Women's Discussion", I don't see why I should not be allowed to reply to that topic just because the person who started that thread doesn't want men to reply. Unless men have a similar option in a similar sub-forum (thus unless men have equal rights) that's incredibly sexist and I feel offended for being considered not able to provide any output as valuable as that of the women responding just because I have a penis instead of a pair of breasts.

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If men were forbidden to participate, I could see more of an argument, but that is not the case - the male members have a responsibility to post and respond appropriately in the Women's Discussion forum, that is all.


You said : "This forum is for the discussion of women's issues; if a poster requests that a thread's responses be from women only, by and large that request is respected. "

Maybe I interpret this wrong. What did you mean when you wrote down those words?



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27 Dec 2009, 6:52 am

There has been a misunderstanding; when I refer to an individual requesting that only women reply to their post, my intent was showing that by and large, the men on WP have been respectful of that request. If there is disruptive posting by males in the Women's Discussion forum, those posts are generally either removed, or at times have been moved as a separate discussion into another subforum. There is no rule forbidding men from posting in this area, but there is a definite expectation of respect and being aware of appropriate behavior. If you look at the thread within this subforum, you will note that there are some with that heading "[given subject] - women only" or "[given subject] - seeking female input" as examples of members using that sort of direct communication to indicate to others clearly their desires and intent. While that does not forbid one from posting, it should certainly serve as a reminder and reason for thought before a gentleman adds his thoughts to that particular conversation, especially when one expressly makes that request.


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27 Dec 2009, 7:18 am

makuranososhi wrote:
There has been a misunderstanding; when I refer to an individual requesting that only women reply to their post, my intent was showing that by and large, the men on WP have been respectful of that request. If there is disruptive posting by males in the Women's Discussion forum, those posts are generally either removed, or at times have been moved as a separate discussion into another subforum.


Then tell us what you would consider disruptive or inappropriate and why men don't have a similar option to have only men respond to their threads if they feel the need for it.... Whether or not there's a rule explicitly forbidding men to respond to certain threads, it still is very sexist. It still offends me that my gender is relevant to whether my response to a thread is accepted or not, whereas this is never the case for women.

Basically, if women have a "women only" option, men should have a "men only" option. Otherwise, it's better to abandon the "women only" option altogether and not to use gender as a criterium anywhere..... Giving women special privileges does not constitute equality but creates rather anti-male sexist sentiment.