14 Sep 2015, 11:49 pm
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14 Sep 2015, 11:57 pm
Claradoon wrote:
This forum is Women's Discussion. Note the apostrophe - it indicates the possessive. This Discussion is intended to belong to Women.
Can we make 100% sure who is which? No. But let us at least give honorable men the chance to do the right thing.
As it is, this Forum has become Men's Discussion.
Can we make 100% sure who is which? No. But let us at least give honorable men the chance to do the right thing.
As it is, this Forum has become Men's Discussion.
There is a sticky thread that says that men are allowed to post here lol, maybe in your country they don't teach women how to read?
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I wish we could get together on why women might want a private place. I don't think that men can understand. It is not because of hatred of men - who accused you? Men are not observed to the same degree as women. I stand by 24/7 - that goes to the realm of sickos but it's real. Last week I woke to find the janitor standing at my bedroom door.
Just because you have a sick guy as a janitor it doesn't mean anything. Just report him or something.
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Why do men think it's all about men? You said, "What about a safe place for men a men only sub forum so we can say how horrible women behind there backs?" Ye gods, man, is that what you think we're doing? Absolutely not. For example, we might want to talk about a women's relationship with her mother. This is huge with women.
I don't see what's wrong about a guy offering an outer point of view about his sister's relationship with their mother, for example.
15 Sep 2015, 1:16 am
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15 Sep 2015, 1:41 am
Kjas wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Kjas wrote:
Honestly the forums have been like this since I joined, however many years ago that was.
No section or subsection was immune. The forums as a whole are essentially not safe for women.
Despite repeatedly telling this to moderators over the years, multiple times, often as a group and having threads like this previously were large numbers of women wanted to see something done about this and let the moderators know, nothing has ever been done.
While I understand the moderators are unpaid, most of them have never taken misogyny seriously apart from maybe two exceptions over the years.
Most women have resorted to simply avoiding the worst parts in that regard which have always been L&D, AAI, and PPR. Some of us like me are just really tired in general of a lot of the crap here so we stop posting altogether, but this is definitely one of the major reasons that it happens.
No section or subsection was immune. The forums as a whole are essentially not safe for women.
Despite repeatedly telling this to moderators over the years, multiple times, often as a group and having threads like this previously were large numbers of women wanted to see something done about this and let the moderators know, nothing has ever been done.
While I understand the moderators are unpaid, most of them have never taken misogyny seriously apart from maybe two exceptions over the years.
Most women have resorted to simply avoiding the worst parts in that regard which have always been L&D, AAI, and PPR. Some of us like me are just really tired in general of a lot of the crap here so we stop posting altogether, but this is definitely one of the major reasons that it happens.
Are you accusing the current mods, who most of them are women, as misogyny sympathizers?
I don't know the current mods.
Since almost all women have some amount (often quite high) of internalized sexism and many also have internalized misogyny - unless they have deliberately spent a lot of time and effort undoing it over a number of years consciously and intentionally - I think it's at least possible, if not likely that they do without realising it.
After all, the only thing that would be required is their silence and inaction. It's not that difficult to put something in the "unnecessary" basket when you know it will provoke massive reactions and backlash among the community because people are finally being held accountable.
I can at least speak to the fact that this was most definitely what happened with the past mods. About the current ones, I don't know. Like I said, ultimately, somewhat likely.
You have never changed Kjas, you always try to psychoanalyze users:lol: - now you are psychoanalyzing female mods and saying they most probably have internalized misogyny , seriously?
No, Who_am_I(sp?), Booyakacha(sp?) and XFilesGirl (sp?
) never sounded to have any kind of internalized misogyny.Are you saying that if the mods see an obsessive male troll like Katy they wouldn't ban him?
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15 Sep 2015, 2:01 am
15 Sep 2015, 2:16 am
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Kjas wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Kjas wrote:
Honestly the forums have been like this since I joined, however many years ago that was.
No section or subsection was immune. The forums as a whole are essentially not safe for women.
Despite repeatedly telling this to moderators over the years, multiple times, often as a group and having threads like this previously were large numbers of women wanted to see something done about this and let the moderators know, nothing has ever been done.
While I understand the moderators are unpaid, most of them have never taken misogyny seriously apart from maybe two exceptions over the years.
Most women have resorted to simply avoiding the worst parts in that regard which have always been L&D, AAI, and PPR. Some of us like me are just really tired in general of a lot of the crap here so we stop posting altogether, but this is definitely one of the major reasons that it happens.
No section or subsection was immune. The forums as a whole are essentially not safe for women.
Despite repeatedly telling this to moderators over the years, multiple times, often as a group and having threads like this previously were large numbers of women wanted to see something done about this and let the moderators know, nothing has ever been done.
While I understand the moderators are unpaid, most of them have never taken misogyny seriously apart from maybe two exceptions over the years.
Most women have resorted to simply avoiding the worst parts in that regard which have always been L&D, AAI, and PPR. Some of us like me are just really tired in general of a lot of the crap here so we stop posting altogether, but this is definitely one of the major reasons that it happens.
Are you accusing the current mods, who most of them are women, as misogyny sympathizers?
I don't know the current mods.
Since almost all women have some amount (often quite high) of internalized sexism and many also have internalized misogyny - unless they have deliberately spent a lot of time and effort undoing it over a number of years consciously and intentionally - I think it's at least possible, if not likely that they do without realising it.
After all, the only thing that would be required is their silence and inaction. It's not that difficult to put something in the "unnecessary" basket when you know it will provoke massive reactions and backlash among the community because people are finally being held accountable.
I can at least speak to the fact that this was most definitely what happened with the past mods. About the current ones, I don't know. Like I said, ultimately, somewhat likely.
You have never changed Kjas, you always try to psychoanalyze users:lol: - now you are psychoanalyzing female mods and saying they most probably have internalized misogyny , seriously?
No, Who_am_I(sp?), Booyakacha(sp?) and XFilesGirl (sp?
) never sounded to have any kind of internalized misogyny.Are you saying that if the mods see an obsessive male troll like Katy they wouldn't ban him?
To be fair current mods are: Skilpadde, XFGeek and me.
Anyway, thanks for all the support in this matter. To be honest I'm not surprised so many mods aren't active. It's mostly thankless volounteering job and as everyone can see in this thread we get to be accused of lot of things, whether guilty or not.
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