misogynists on this forum.

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Hey hey hey! Boo, Skippy don't fight, you're both pretty!

Seriously though you guys are just going in circles. It might be best to just agree to disagree.

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*sigh*

As the primary Mod that deals with L&D, I don't see "misogyny" so as much as I see frustrated, desperate, lonely men who come here to vent. And they're allowed to vent.....to a point. It's important to discern what is just depression and disappointment, and what is outright hostility.

Women are allowed to complain about unrealistic expectations society places on them, but so are men. It won't benefit this community if I start swinging the banhammer at anyone who utters any remark that could have even the slightest chance at rubbing someone else the wrong way.

And, I'm going to point out that, in the past several months, we've had much more of a problem with misandry than misogyny.

Carry on.

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Impasses tend to hurt heads.

I see this place hasn't changed much. lol

OK, as promised - new thread here:

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We're doing this again? I suppose we've had enough turnover since the last Genderwars ™ to fuel a new cycle, but it's still annoying.

Note to whoever is modding this: I highly recommend allowing people to link to examples of what they consider to be sexist and/or misogynistic, as demanding that they do so is the only effective way of putting the burden on them to prove their case, and in many cases, has proven them to have "interesting" standards of what they consider offensive. I understand the concern about singling out members, but as it is, accusations are being leveled at the whole board, and forcing those making them to put up or shut up would be more constructive than simply shutting down the debate.

Also, if you're one of those people who think the board is awash in sexism, the report button works very well, I highly recommend using it.

The gender wars produced such hostility, that although it highlighted various issues, the real life implications were that regular people who needed to discuss gender related issues were not afforded a supportive environment in which to do so.

Instead they might have experienced for example, invalidation of emotive issues, or faced internalisation of felt prejudices, to me those type of outcomes are counter productive.

I think the repercussions of that collective action(genderwars) should not be ignored, otherwise the agendas lack integrity.

I have no desire to watch this place being pulled apart by such division on a repeat cycle.

What are the options in terms of finding a solution? Aside from just leaving the forum, as I've said I've done that from time to time when I find it too exhausting.

My own assertiveness/over empathizing issues make it psychologically difficult to report people.

To me, reporting is for trolls, spamming, people with the intent to cause strife.

It does not seem like the correct action to take against members who are much more than a reductionist label.
The report button would swamp overworked Mods, who will at times have to choose an efficient course of action.
Reporting alone displaces personal accountability and creates a cycle.

I suppose the off topic report option could be used, but then this is a public forum, and potentially every post could be off topic. Same problem, it becomes a cycle.

My suggestion: talk about these issues, exercise basic manners/self restraint, and don't use those threads as an opportunity to release personal issues.

It would be ideal to be able to post and arrive at solutions or a way forward without the thread being derailed into a which gender has it worse competition.