Why does society make it so much work to be a woman?!
go to the medical factory, women's section, the only thing to read in the endless wait amidst the pregant and recently delivered : women's luxury-magazines' f****d messages
bakery test : i got ignored by the young&fashionable, then came the fully covered(cosmetically) other lady: immediately served while still not seeing me, oh well
next time; the same happened, this time the other lady said, "this woman was before me" !!houray!!
another baker, there i always get adressed "mister" but not ignored,
which bring up another question, does bread get in the eyes??????

As male I have often been amazed at just how transformative makeup can be. Doesn't mean it prefer it though. Personally I like simple as possible. Fairly natrual. Occasional lipstick, eye make up, etc is fine if they way, but much of the time I'm happy with natrual.
Don't get me wrong I think it has it uses, and it has the potential to be used positively depending on the individual. I know some people actually feel a lot worse without. It is also a valid for of expression and creativity.
However for many males the process is like magic. We sort of know something is goign on, but not clued up with what is involved.
I don't get why having plain flat skin is an obsession and these artificial contours. If they are slapping on make up with a trowel, which identity do they have? The person above or bellow?
I was surprised what a difference it made. People waited on you faster, more attentively and no hassles or upselling etc. Of course it isn't everyone who treats people unequally but we all found that there was a drastic change in how well you were treated. The people that participated were not all women so there is some of this that happens to everyone but I think it does show how external that pressure to conform can be.
"Clothes make the man" is a valid statement to make, in my experience.
It's fine if you like being chavvy or don't mind being plain, but to fit in as a woman you have to pluck eyebrows (which smarts), put make-up on to the point where you feel your face is untouchable, spend loads of time and money on buying clothes and accessories that must look right, have long nails, wear shoes that hurt, spend a lot of time on your hair, shave your legs and armpits... I could go on and on.
And what do men have to do? Not much at all. It's all optional for them. If a man chooses to shave his armpits, cool. If a man chooses not to shave his armpits, that's also cool. If a woman chooses not to shave her armpits, she will be called all kinds of names.
When a woman goes out somewhere special, she has to look all glamorous. If a man goes out somewhere special, a nice shirt and a tie will do. Or just a shirt. And put some deoderant spray on, and done. He looks lovely. A woman has to style all her hair, apply make-up, make sure what she's wearing looks acceptable.
Why do women have so much pressure? Then people wonder why I prefer the plain/chavvy look. Men are so lucky.
I kinda do agree with men being lucky in a lot of points. It's really tough in society for women now-a-days, due to these crazy a** standards on beauty by media but also blame Photoshop for unrealistic body and flawless skin or skintone expectations. I think some maintenance should be there for all women. But not like the crazy versions like you see in media which are high falutin. I think some maintenance should be there. I just think coming out looking like you don't care at all can cause problems for anyone does matter male or female.
But I'll say this one time, If I was a guy, I'll admit. Standards are kind of easier with men in someways with looks and other aspects. Due to expectations that are not insanely unrealistic compared to women looks and apperance wise. Though I think both have good and bad points gender wise depending on who you speak to about it.
Sorry if this post sounds a bit off-topic like post.

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I'm a guy....and I wish I looked better, and dressed better.
My mother always wants to take me clothes shopping! She doesn't think I have good taste in clothes.
Women probably have it a bit more difficult, in general, when it comes to "appearances."
I am one, though, that likes the "natural woman"--even, sometimes, to the point where she doesn't shave under her arms.
I'm not keen on unshaven legs, though. But if a person I love insists upon not shaving her legs, I won't really raise a big fuss about it.
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My mother always wants to take me clothes shopping! She doesn't think I have good taste in clothes.
Women probably have it a bit more difficult, in general, when it comes to "appearances."
I am one, though, that likes the "natural woman"--even, sometimes, to the point where she doesn't shave under her arms.
I'm not keen on unshaven legs, though. But if a person I love insists upon not shaving her legs, I won't really raise a big fuss about it.
Hey Briana.....please stay with us.
I am.

I like a guy who if looks wise. My thing for men apperance wise is look like you care about your apperance in public situations. I will elaborate if any male wants to or ask why.
With me don't have your pants that are hanging the rappers do. That looks and screams laziness, get a good size that looks right and fits you. I see that pants trend too much in Milwaukee.
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*goes back on phone thinking of first cosplay ideas*
I like to buy nice shirts and tops, to look smart casual. Jasper Conran, John Rocha, Peter Werth make nice clothes that aren't just branded crap.
I hate the process of shopping though. I'm sure many women and men on the spectrum relate. Internet shopping is easier, but it is difficult to go on just photos.
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Dress up meant wearing expensive clothing, properly accessorized and more formal or professional than typical for that place.
I was surprised what a difference it made. People waited on you faster, more attentively and no hassles or upselling etc.
Of course it isn't everyone who treats people unequally but we all found that there was a drastic change in how well you were treated. The people that participated were not all women so there is some of this that happens to everyone but I think it does show how external that pressure to conform can be.
I certainly don't treat people dressed in expensive clothes who are all prettied up better than anyone else, I don't do the 'oh I'm just a lowely inferior let me bow down and treat you like a higher up' and would resent anyone who thinks they're entitled to that acknowledgement from me. I know it exists though..but I don't want peoples fake friendliness dressing how I do keeps fake people like that away.
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I'm new here, I'll probably introduce myself at some point but I will say quickly that I was diagnosed as an aspie at 15, about 10 years ago.
My personal style is varied, I can from looking like someone dragged me though a stable backwards to a polished, made up lady (sometimes, even within the same half an hour). For me, I like getting dressed up, I feel like I could rule the world with some properly applied bright red lippy and my favorite pair of red heels. I also like to roll out of bed at ten to eight for an eight o'clock lecture.
When I working at a pig farm, many of the guys I worked with didn't recognize me at work functions because from 7am til 4pm I was a hard working country girl in a (usually covered in pig crap) company supplied uniform. Most people who meet me dressed up and outside of work assume I'm an office girl because I like having polished nails, wear make up and love rocking a cute dress. Why can't I do both? And why should the office girls be held to a standard of grooming like that anyway?
I dress in ways which make me happy. The smiling, confident ruby lipped lady with the killer heels is the mask I wear to mingle and pass. She's the one who gets me through work functions, meetings and anything else where I need to be on my A game. She's too high energy to wear all the time but she's a lot of fun and I value her as much as I value the part of me that only shaves her legs for when she wears a dress. (Love the feeling of super smooth legs but rarely have time to do them properly). To be honest, I could probably be just as outgoing and wear a mask just as well without the red lips but the time and process of applying lipstick is a settling motion, it's almost meditative. In heels, I stand taller (my normal pair add a few inches to my height) and straighter and I actually think about where I put my feet so I'm nowhere near as clumsy as I am in flats.
What I hate is a damned if you do (seen as shallow, vain, manipulative, attention seeking and/or insecure) and damned if you don't (seen as slovenly, lazy, lacking in hygiene, unkempt and/or unprofessional in certain professions) mentality. How about women dress as they please?
I'm not going to bother with applying much more than sun screen and lip balm if I'm out with the horses all day (but I'm not going to hate on the women who do). A night out with the girls on the other hand is the perfect place to wear that new red lippy I bought with the cute dress I found in City Chic the other day. Or I jeans and a tee-shirt if I haven't got round to doing washing just yet.
PennyFri
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Joined: 22 Apr 2016
Age: 36
Gender: Female
Posts: 53
Location: Australia

As male I have often been amazed at just how transformative makeup can be. Doesn't mean it prefer it though. Personally I like simple as possible. Fairly natrual. Occasional lipstick, eye make up, etc is fine if they way, but much of the time I'm happy with natrual.
Don't get me wrong I think it has it uses, and it has the potential to be used positively depending on the individual. I know some people actually feel a lot worse without. It is also a valid for of expression and creativity.
However for many males the process is like magic. We sort of know something is goign on, but not clued up with what is involved.
I don't get why having plain flat skin is an obsession and these artificial contours. If they are slapping on make up with a trowel, which identity do they have? The person above or bellow?
I think I can be of some assistance here. My 'work make-up' differs drastically from my 'getting fancy make-up'.
Work make-up routine: 1) dust mineral powder foundation over face and neck with a foundation brush. 2) sweep blush over cheeks with blush brush (DO NOT over do this part, Zero, it's really annoying to undo if you get carried away!) 3) Mascara on lashes ( 1x coat bottom, 2x coats top if can be bothered) 4) lip balm (I just use Vaseline as a lip balm for this part because most proper lip balms actually end up drying out your lips) 5) Look at self in the mirror for a while from various angles to make sure nothing went horribly wrong. Job done!

I've decided not to share my 'getting fancy make-up' routine at this stage. I'm a bit tired now and it'd be a massive word count. And sometimes, very occasionally, I go to work with no make-up and messy hair. Generally when I'm really sick or really tired. Gives everyone a little surprise! I get a bit of a kick out of that.

lol I don't think I do my own make up that would be a disaster.
Its magic isn't it?

In my case... Sure, been told to wear some make up, mind my fashion sense, and find a boyfriend.
Yet I never complied. Complain all they want, I won't do it since I'm not violating everything.
Unless it's some official dress code or requirement, not some unspoken style or whatnot. I don't walk for few miles a day just to look at me.
Then at the same time people would rather have their daughters mimic me for not doing most things I mentioned. Mostly because fashion and 'class' are expensive.
And having a boyfriend or make up is sometimes aren't exactly encouraged. (Yes, discouraging make up)
People mistook my style as descent or conservative. It's just plain casual that I barely put an effort to it.
Granted, either the heat or the rain couldn't help it.
Anyways, I took my physique and natural charm for granted. Not to mention my trend obsessed mom, and sister that I could bug or steal each others' clothes with.
My peers gets flustered over retouching, while everyone knew I don't, and no ones judging me for not facing a mirror with a group of women for every few hours.
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Joined: 12 Aug 2014
Age: 51
Gender: Female
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Location: deep in the catacombs of academia
Perhaps this impression that one *has* to do or wear certain things is more compelling when we are younger? I do identify as female, but I do not wear dresses, or makeup. I will shave, but it is for my comfort and sensory issues, otherwise I probably would not. I keep clean, and I fix my hair up in a bun each day. Again, this is more for my comfort, since having it touch my neck and back drives me up the wall. I am super into the practical, and I have almost no tolerance for what I see as superficial nonsense. I like it, and I am happy. It may not attract many males, but that is fine too. If I do not find someone who can appreciate me as I actually am, I am so bad at pretending, it will not end well, anyway!
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