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18 Oct 2015, 3:54 pm

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There are so many women hating/distrusting women on WP: viewtopic.php?t=294708

Then they call us misogynists.


Yeah, 'cause you aspie males never complain about NT guys giving you a hard time. Only aspie women do that about NT women, because sexism. :roll:


I thought we agreed to not talk with each other again, didn't you add me to your block list?


Yes I did, but it doesn't seem to work because I can still see all of your posts on every thread. I don't know why they bothered to add that "foe" feature if it doesn't even work.



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18 Oct 2015, 5:39 pm

wilburforce wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
wilburforce wrote:
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There are so many women hating/distrusting women on WP: viewtopic.php?t=294708

Then they call us misogynists.


Yeah, 'cause you aspie males never complain about NT guys giving you a hard time. Only aspie women do that about NT women, because sexism. :roll:


I thought we agreed to not talk with each other again, didn't you add me to your block list?


Yes I did, but it doesn't seem to work because I can still see all of your posts on every thread. I don't know why they bothered to add that "foe" feature if it doesn't even work.


...probably the same reason they created a women's forum for men to complain about women-- lack of thinking it through.



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19 Oct 2015, 1:02 am

wilburforce wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
wilburforce wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
There are so many women hating/distrusting women on WP: viewtopic.php?t=294708

Then they call us misogynists.


Yeah, 'cause you aspie males never complain about NT guys giving you a hard time. Only aspie women do that about NT women, because sexism. :roll:


I thought we agreed to not talk with each other again, didn't you add me to your block list?


Yes I did, but it doesn't seem to work because I can still see all of your posts on every thread. I don't know why they bothered to add that "foe" feature if it doesn't even work.


Then have some self control and ignore my posts. :D



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19 Oct 2015, 1:42 pm

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The last couple of pages contain a lot of hostility, provocations and belittling comments, all of which are against the rules.

Please tone it down. Threads that degenerate into bickering, insults and attacks may be locked.

Thank you.


Getting this thread (and other women's issues threads) locked is the goal of some of the men posting here. Surely you see that they're trolling?



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19 Oct 2015, 1:52 pm

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Oh ...a lot of ladies did that on L&D to a lot of guys did that for years, it's time to counter-attack :lol:. I've never been that active on this board before.

From now one, every time I see a lady who is criticizing men on L&D about how much they whine and complain about women, I am gonna reply her with a a link to this thread and with some like "Before you patronize us, go see your own gender here how much they complain about women".

/ anyway...go on with your posts, this thread will be...very very useful.


Here's a quote from Boo, explaining that he's trolling the Women's Forum as some kind of misguided retaliation for women posting things he doesn't like in the L&D forum. In what possible way could this kind of speech be regarded as respectful toward women?



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19 Oct 2015, 1:53 pm

I doubt that a significant number of men, if any, have motives to completely silence women. To be honest I'm not entirely convinced you're not trolling.



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19 Oct 2015, 2:41 pm

I don't think he (FoB) is trolling, not by comparison to what I've seen happening to a male member, I think he has a genuine issue, but that he doesn't have anywhere else to make his point (no mens discussion).
Have you observed the "female" trolling in L&D, Yippy? To me, that is the source of the current problem, it is generating these type of reactions.



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19 Oct 2015, 3:24 pm

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I don't think he (FoB) is trolling, not by comparison to what I've seen happening to a male member, I think he has a genuine issue, but that he doesn't have anywhere else to make his point (no mens discussion).
Have you observed the "female" trolling in L&D, Yippy? To me, that is the source of the current problem, it is generating these type of reactions.


None of the women here are responsible for that trolling--it's a single person who keeps making accounts and posting in L&D, not here--so why is he taking it out on us in here when we are trying to have real discussions about our experiences as women with autism? Doesn't seem fair to me.



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19 Oct 2015, 4:02 pm

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I don't think he (FoB) is trolling, not by comparison to what I've seen happening to a male member, I think he has a genuine issue, but that he doesn't have anywhere else to make his point (no mens discussion).
Have you observed the "female" trolling in L&D, Yippy? To me, that is the source of the current problem, it is generating these type of reactions.


None of the women here are responsible for that trolling--it's a single person who keeps making accounts and posting in L&D, not here--so why is he taking it out on us in here when we are trying to have real discussions about our experiences as women with autism? Doesn't seem fair to me.


I don't know but I don't like it, it's of a schoolyard grade; it occurred to me today that his posting seemed heedless, and that reminded me that most people here will have social deficits.
I have been thinking for some time about the trolls target, a young guy, and I think the only reason he still posts here is because his buddies look out for him and one Mod actively targets his troll. I think what we are seeing from FoB is the symptomatic effect of this bullying, and watching that targeted bullying unfold every time this young guy posts is far more upsetting to me, than the attention generating behavior of FoB.



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19 Oct 2015, 4:30 pm

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Amity, no, katy is not the only one, even tho she's the most vocal- and she's way more offensive than others.

There also members like wilburforce, Yippy, waterfall,....and few times androbot but not much (yes, I am naming them as to be fair, no, you are not one of them at all, hurtloam is not one, iliketree is not, sweetleaf is not, Olivemom is not, the lady mods are not...and many others - most of the ladies here I have no issue with at all; and those latter had objected to real sexist posts before, when it's really sexist) - who so often interpret posts made by males (including mine) from sexist perspective - and project women-hating intentions on us - they try so hard to interpret stuff between the lines as sexist.
You know, most males are heterosexual, so normally most men on L&D will talk about personal experiences with women, which might be bad/bitter experiences as well.

My "trolling" post (as named by Yippy) is simply a reminder that women can also have bad experiences with women (or men), like how we've seen it in the other thread and may talk stuff that might sound bitter- anyone who seeking to be offended will be able to find an interpretation to be offended - if I am going to be extra judgmental then I could judge on the bitter tone they used of their personal stories with women, and I could nitpick stuff from their their posts to make them (the female posters who told their bad experiences with women) look and sound as misogynist. My "trolling" is very inspired from the ways of Yippy and co. in particular ;).


Some points:
-There are gender war legacy issues. The folks affected by that gender war stuff have sensitivities as a result.

-Everyone has had their own exposure to negative experiences with the opposite sex. That can make them biased.

-Women in general irrespective of neurotype will experience frequent misogyny as a part of just being alive.

-People with social deficits, will probably experience more misandry/misogyny as a result of cheesing people off/saying the wrong thing and so forth.

-There are cultural differences, what is considered sexist to someone in a progressive country may not be viewed as sexist by someone from a more traditional country. The women you have named are American and Canadian, fairly progressive countries, I don't consider them to be trolls, they disagree with sexism when they see it.
I have watched Androbot be so very agreeable and reasonable, even empathetic, only for you L&D guys to turn her into the whipping girl. Not cool. It sends out a warning message to other female posters.



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19 Oct 2015, 4:45 pm

This is my opinion about all this. We are on an internet forum. It is entertainment and socializing. Some people do come here for support they need from others and some people come here to pass the time. Other than serious issues in the Haven and such, nothing that is said is really going to have a big impact on anyone's life. It's things typed by basically mostly strangers on the internet who have no control over what we do, where we go, what opportunities we have, etc. In other words somebody here who is a misogynist isn't actually doing anybody any harm. He's not refusing to admit us to college, and he's not firing us for telling him to keep his hands off our asses, he's not telling us we can't be a cop or a doctor or anything else. He doesn't refuse to give us a loan or refuse to rent us a house or finance our car. His words and actions can't actually do anything to us or have any effect on our lives. If a misogynist or a misandrist or whatever says something on here we can either tell him off or scroll by. He can't actually do anything to us, and if he's getting his jollies bothering ladies online then he doesn't really have much real world power and influence to begin with so he's no threat.

We are not such delicate little flowers that we need to remove and ban people for their opinions and thoughts and views are we? I thought the whole point of feminism is that we AREN'T delicate little flowers who need somebody else to step in and fix things for us because we are just too fragile to do it ourselves and will get the vapors and fall into a swoon if we have to ignore a douchebag or tell off a jerk or anything else. This isn't confronting somebody in power and authority in your life for God's sakes. It's ignoring somebody or flaming them instead on a forum on the internet. It's not all that important in the big scheme of things, and if somebody feels that it is such a huge, major deal that it deserves all sorts of attention and discussion and action, then maybe they need to recalibrate "important" and put things in perspective. Such as the internet vs real life. Such as a typed message by someone you will probably never meet or interact with elsewhere vs somebody who is actually causing a real problem other than twisting panties in a wad.

Basically, ignore them. As a guy I used to work for was fond of saying when he was sick of somebody's s**t, f**k em if they can't take a joke.

It's possible to ignore. Really. Even for us delicate and fragile and emotionally brittle women and even for us aspies who despite being on the spectrum do still have the power to use one finger to scroll past somebody we don't like.


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My forum is still there and everyone is welcome to come join as well. There is a private women only subforum there if anyone is interested. Also, there is no CAPTCHA. ;-)

The link to the forum is http://www.rightplanet.proboards.com


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19 Oct 2015, 5:14 pm

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Have you observed the "female" trolling in L&D, Yippy? To me, that is the source of the current problem, it is generating these type of reactions.


The source of the problem is that Boo is attempting to make WP women proxies for the woman or women trolling in L&D, and punish them. We are all responsible for our own behavior. The L&D troll is responsible for what she writes. She is not responsible for what Boo writes.



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20 Oct 2015, 1:26 am

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Amity, no, katy is not the only one, even tho she's the most vocal- and she's way more offensive than others.

There also members like wilburforce, Yippy, waterfall,....and few times androbot but not much (yes, I am naming them as to be fair, no, you are not one of them at all, hurtloam is not one, iliketree is not, sweetleaf is not, Olivemom is not, the lady mods are not...and many others - most of the ladies here I have no issue with at all; and those latter had objected to real sexist posts before, when it's really sexist) - who so often interpret posts made by males (including mine) from sexist perspective - and project women-hating intentions on us - they try so hard to interpret stuff between the lines as sexist.
You know, most males are heterosexual, so normally most men on L&D will talk about personal experiences with women, which might be bad/bitter experiences as well.

My "trolling" post (as named by Yippy) is simply a reminder that women can also have bad experiences with women (or men), like how we've seen it in the other thread and may talk stuff that might sound bitter- anyone who seeking to be offended will be able to find an interpretation to be offended - if I am going to be extra judgmental then I could judge on the bitter tone they used of their personal stories with women, and I could nitpick stuff from their their posts to make them (the female posters who told their bad experiences with women) look and sound as misogynist. My "trolling" is very inspired from the ways of Yippy and co. in particular ;).


Some points:
-There are gender war legacy issues. The folks affected by that gender war stuff have sensitivities as a result.

-Everyone has had their own exposure to negative experiences with the opposite sex. That can make them biased.

-Women in general irrespective of neurotype will experience frequent misogyny as a part of just being alive.

-People with social deficits, will probably experience more misandry/misogyny as a result of cheesing people off/saying the wrong thing and so forth.

-There are cultural differences, what is considered sexist to someone in a progressive country may not be viewed as sexist by someone from a more traditional country. The women you have named are American and Canadian, fairly progressive countries, I don't consider them to be trolls, they disagree with sexism when they see it.
I have watched Androbot be so very agreeable and reasonable, even empathetic, only for you L&D guys to turn her into the whipping girl. Not cool. It sends out a warning message to other female posters.


Fine, I omit androbot :-/ I was kinda hesitated abt her - she did some drama before on me by wrongly interpreting stuff I said (upside down its true meaning).

Cultural differences? No, it's not that, the no-issue ladies are also Americans, Canadians, Brits...etc. And almost all are feminists in its true meaning.



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20 Oct 2015, 1:31 am

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Have you observed the "female" trolling in L&D, Yippy? To me, that is the source of the current problem, it is generating these type of reactions.


The source of the problem is that Boo is attempting to make WP women proxies for the woman or women trolling in L&D, and punish them. We are all responsible for our own behavior. The L&D troll is responsible for what she writes. She is not responsible for what Boo writes.


No, the source of the problem is people like you.



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20 Oct 2015, 3:28 am

this thread has stood for too long already.