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13 Aug 2018, 7:31 pm

I'm not bashing anybody. I just don't believe there's a "rape culture," that's all.

I agree with most things about Feminism. I can even call myself a Feminist.

I'm more likely to disagree with a Men's Rights activist-----or some Red Pill guy----or whoever.



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13 Aug 2018, 7:34 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:
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... Fairness, equality, and exploring (with the goal of reducing) very real and common problems like domestic violence and sexual assault.
If all that was true, then the correct word to use would be "Egalitarianism" -- the belief in human equality especially with respect to social, political, and economic affairs. It also encompasses advocacy for the removal of inequalities among people. Note also that this word has no root in sex or gender. The word derives from the French word "égal" (meaning "equal"), and not from the French word "femme" (meaning "woman").
Since women are more likely to be marginalized in society and experience things like domestic violence and rape, I’m more likely to align myself with feminism. I am interested in gender as a whole, though, and LGBT issues like many feminists.
I am interested in providing equal opportunity for equal qualifications, regardless of race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity, sexual orientation, and pregnancy), national origin, age (40 or older), disability or genetic information. If a person has the ability and the willingness to do the job, then they're a candidate. The only other factors that come into play involve drug use, citizenship status, criminal record, and whether or not they can get along with the other employees (we have a 6-month probationary period).

The hardest part about the hiring process is getting qualified people to apply -- it's extremely difficult to offer jobs to women and minorities if they won't even submit to the application process.


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13 Aug 2018, 7:38 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I'm not bashing anybody. I just don't believe there's a "rape culture," that's all.

I agree with most things about Feminism. I can even call myself a Feminist.

I'm more likely to disagree with a Men's Rights activist-----or some Red Pill guy----or whoever.


You can believe that, but it doesn’t mean it’s true.



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13 Aug 2018, 7:39 pm

My mother is a died-in-the-wool feminist.

She was inspired by reading "The Feminine Mystique."

She said-----screw the male-dominated society----I'm going to make my way, regardless.

If I bash Feminism, I'm bashing my mother.



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13 Aug 2018, 7:40 pm

Fnord wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
... Fairness, equality, and exploring (with the goal of reducing) very real and common problems like domestic violence and sexual assault.
If all that was true, then the correct word to use would be "Egalitarianism" -- the belief in human equality especially with respect to social, political, and economic affairs. It also encompasses advocacy for the removal of inequalities among people. Note also that this word has no root in sex or gender. The word derives from the French word "égal" (meaning "equal"), and not from the French word "femme" (meaning "woman").
Since women are more likely to be marginalized in society and experience things like domestic violence and rape, I’m more likely to align myself with feminism. I am interested in gender as a whole, though, and LGBT issues like many feminists.
I am interested in providing equal opportunity for equal qualifications, regardless of race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity, sexual orientation, and pregnancy), national origin, age (40 or older), disability or genetic information. If a person has the ability and the willingness to do the job, then they're a candidate. The only other factors that come into play involve drug use, citizenship status, criminal record, and whether or not they can get along with the other employees (we have a 6-month probationary period).

The hardest part about the hiring process is getting qualified people to apply -- it's extremely difficult to offer jobs to women and minorities if they won't even submit to the application process.


My main area of interest has to do with my experiences. I think that’s probably true for most people, right?

I’m just trying to figure out a way to make a career out of it. It’s good times when a special interest and passion can become a career.



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13 Aug 2018, 7:41 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:
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I'm not bashing anybody. I just don't believe there's a "rape culture," that's all. I agree with most things about Feminism. I can even call myself a Feminist. I'm more likely to disagree with a Men's Rights activist-----or some Red Pill guy----or whoever.
You can believe that, but it doesn’t mean it’s true.
Are you dissing a Sensitive Guy™? And after all that effort to try to impress you...


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13 Aug 2018, 7:42 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
My mother is a died-in-the-wool feminist.

She was inspired by reading "The Feminine Mystique."

She said-----screw the male-dominated society----I'm going to make my way, regardless.

If I bash Feminism, I'm bashing my mother.


I didn’t say you were bashing feminism. 8O



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13 Aug 2018, 7:44 pm

Fnord wrote:
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kraftiekortie wrote:
I'm not bashing anybody. I just don't believe there's a "rape culture," that's all. I agree with most things about Feminism. I can even call myself a Feminist. I'm more likely to disagree with a Men's Rights activist-----or some Red Pill guy----or whoever.
You can believe that, but it doesn’t mean it’s true.
Are you dissing a Sensitive Guy™? And after all that effort to try to impress you...


I don’t want to dis anyone, unless it’s the President.



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13 Aug 2018, 7:45 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
... Fairness, equality, and exploring (with the goal of reducing) very real and common problems like domestic violence and sexual assault.
If all that was true, then the correct word to use would be "Egalitarianism" -- the belief in human equality especially with respect to social, political, and economic affairs. It also encompasses advocacy for the removal of inequalities among people. Note also that this word has no root in sex or gender. The word derives from the French word "égal" (meaning "equal"), and not from the French word "femme" (meaning "woman").
Since women are more likely to be marginalized in society and experience things like domestic violence and rape, I’m more likely to align myself with feminism. I am interested in gender as a whole, though, and LGBT issues like many feminists.
I am interested in providing equal opportunity for equal qualifications, regardless of race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity, sexual orientation, and pregnancy), national origin, age (40 or older), disability or genetic information. If a person has the ability and the willingness to do the job, then they're a candidate. The only other factors that come into play involve drug use, citizenship status, criminal record, and whether or not they can get along with the other employees (we have a 6-month probationary period). The hardest part about the hiring process is getting qualified people to apply -- it's extremely difficult to offer jobs to women and minorities if they won't even submit to the application process.
My main area of interest has to do with my experiences. I think that’s probably true for most people, right?
If 'experience' is all that a person can bring to the table, then someone with both experience AND education will win out every time.
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I’m just trying to figure out a way to make a career out of it. It’s good times when a special interest and passion can become a career.
Ahh ... but you have to dedicate yourself to making a career out of your special interests for a minimum of 16 hours a day, 7 days a week. Without a degree, it's a sisyphean effort.


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13 Aug 2018, 7:46 pm

Hey....who's calling me a "sensitive guy" (trademark)?

What the heck is this?



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13 Aug 2018, 7:47 pm

Fnord wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
... Fairness, equality, and exploring (with the goal of reducing) very real and common problems like domestic violence and sexual assault.
If all that was true, then the correct word to use would be "Egalitarianism" -- the belief in human equality especially with respect to social, political, and economic affairs. It also encompasses advocacy for the removal of inequalities among people. Note also that this word has no root in sex or gender. The word derives from the French word "égal" (meaning "equal"), and not from the French word "femme" (meaning "woman").
Since women are more likely to be marginalized in society and experience things like domestic violence and rape, I’m more likely to align myself with feminism. I am interested in gender as a whole, though, and LGBT issues like many feminists.
I am interested in providing equal opportunity for equal qualifications, regardless of race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity, sexual orientation, and pregnancy), national origin, age (40 or older), disability or genetic information. If a person has the ability and the willingness to do the job, then they're a candidate. The only other factors that come into play involve drug use, citizenship status, criminal record, and whether or not they can get along with the other employees (we have a 6-month probationary period). The hardest part about the hiring process is getting qualified people to apply -- it's extremely difficult to offer jobs to women and minorities if they won't even submit to the application process.
My main area of interest has to do with my experiences. I think that’s probably true for most people, right?
If 'experience' is all that a person can bring to the table, then someone with both experience AND education will win out every time.
Twilightprincess wrote:
I’m just trying to figure out a way to make a career out of it. It’s good times when a special interest and passion can become a career.
Ahh ... but you have to dedicate yourself to making a career out of your special interests for a minimum of 16 hours a day, 7 days a week. Without a degree, it's a sisyphean effort.


I have a degree but not the right one. I could get an MA which would sort everything out. We’ll see...



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13 Aug 2018, 7:49 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Hey....who's calling me a "sensitive guy" (trademark)?

What the heck is this?


If you object to being a “sensitive guy,” you could try going for “insensitive guy,” but I doubt you have it in you.



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13 Aug 2018, 7:50 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Hey....who's calling me a "sensitive guy" (trademark)? What the heck is this? Last edited by kraftiekortie on 2018 Aug 13, 5:48 pm, edited 1 time in total.
A compliment. Roll with it.


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13 Aug 2018, 7:51 pm

I'm a guy who's reasonably sensitive----but I'm not a "sensitive guy" (trademark).....that recently made-up term.



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13 Aug 2018, 7:52 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:
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Hey....who's calling me a "sensitive guy" (trademark)? What the heck is this? Last edited by kraftiekortie on 2018 Aug 13, 5:48 pm, edited 1 time in total.
If you object to being a "sensitive guy", you could try going for "insensitive guy", but I doubt you have it in you.
It takes a special breed to pull off the Insensitive Guy™ act. It also helps to not give a rip about impressing others.


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14 Aug 2018, 5:57 am

I've never liked approaches that focus on in-groups/out-groups; anything that segregates or could lead to dehumanising outcomes.
We have enough of those mistakes throughout history, no need to repeat them under the guise of 'progress'.
I guess that's what I see when the loud feminist extremists take centre stage, it worries me that such a powerful movement is being tarnished in this way.
People remind me of emotional sheep sometimes... following the extremists and following those who only see the extremists.