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I used to troll here on occasion, silently. By the time I actually bothered to register, the forums had already split as you describe.

I think some women are (unfortunately) used to scorn and derision over certain topics, hence the seperate forums? It makes them feel a bit more secure in talking about certain things?

This is congruent with what I know of the psychology of most females, at least.

As to why they don't respond to derision by tearing ass, I couldn't tell you. I've always been more of the "get even" school of thought, myself.

I think male orgasms are primarily a physical thing, whereas women's are a lot more psychological. That's why a man's biggest problem is usually 'staying power' - we're trying to override a fairly automatic process by using our brains, and that isn't easy!



I can be quite 'blokey' in certain situations, and girly in others. When it comes to talking about things I prefer talking to women. I'm straight, but my main source of sexual pleasure comes from making women happy, rather than being pleasured myself. (Nb. I'm not saying I'm a particular expert in making women happy or anything). I think this may be linked to issues of low self-esteem?



Do you mean chocolate in general, or as per my original text?

That is true, to an extent... it seems that women are more sexually affected through emotional factors (being resentful of their partner, for instance) then men are. Even if the relationship is healthy, she still usually takes longer, though. I think a lot of it goes back to evolution. Although there is a small amount of sperm in preejaculate, the odds of conception go up dramatically if a man can deliver the "full load", to be perfectly vulgar about it. So he's got a hair-trigger on the whole process. But for women, when it comes to sucessfully passing along our genes, it really doesn't matter if we get off or not. You guys had selection pressure on hair-trigger orgasms. We never did.



In order to answer that, one would have to the underlying reason behind your behavior. To be perfectly vulgar about it, is it because a horny woman writhing around and scratching your back dramatically inceases your own pleasure, or is it because you consider yourself unworthy of directly being given pleasure?



Both. Why do so many women have such a fixation on chocolate, just in general? Most of them just absolutely love the stuff... they think it's the best thing ever. I don't hate chocolate (well, with the exception of dark chocolate, it's bitter), but I'm not wild about it, either. To me, it's just another type of candy. *shrugs*

Yep, that's true in general terms, although I did hava a girlfriend once who was quite easily turned on and could externally ejaculate several times in succession - sometimes prior to full penetrative sex . I used to think that full female ejaculation was a myth, but it isn't. It's enormously good fun and a major ego boost for a man, but also very messy

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I don't know. The former is obviously true, but then it is for any male, surely? To be honest I just don't know what would really make me happy. It's embarrassing when a girlfriend asks that, because I don't know what to say. I like to be a catalyst for their happiness but find it incredibly difficult to even think about my own. As you say, though, this could just be a circular thought process whereby I do actually derive great pleasure from giving pleasure. That's the answer I normally give to the question, but it sounds a bit pathetic sometimes.



I think chocolate contains several mood-altering chemicals including Theobromine, Tryptophan and Phenylethylamine (Ok, so I looked that up on Wikipedia ). It's also known to be fattening and this makes it a 'forbidden treat' and it therefore has a semi-erotic status for some women. Perhaps there is also something about the texture of chocolate and the way it melts? Chocolate is seen as a luxury, associated with rewarding or 'spoiling' oneself.

This is all very well in theory but back in the real world, I haven't a clue. I just know that I love it. Luckily I use up a lot of "nervous energy" so the impact on my health isn't so bad. Although I have diabetes I have learned to balance my chocolate intake with insulin.

I don't do hard drugs. Have given up smoking. Might be able to give up drinking, but would be unbearable company for about a year and a half... but chocolate? No way!

P.S. Cherokee - sorry for completely hi-jacking your thread.

Would it be possible for a Mod to split the latter stages into a separate topic?

I've heard of that... the female ejaculate thing. Never experienced it myself, though.



Most men masturbate, at least every once and awhile. If you do also, surely you have some idea from... erm... working on yourself... what sorts of motions and fantasies are most effective at getting your motor running? Perhaps this information is what she wants when she asks such things? I'm not sure, but...




Ah smoking... my one vice. lol.

Perhaps it does alter their moods somewhat... that would explain why some women seem to crave it more during certain times of the month.

Some people seem to treat it like some sort of holy grail, which is stupid. I'm not convinced that every woman can do it - it seems to be pretty rare. I also get the impression it's one of those things where thinking about it actually lessens the chances of anything happening. There are a few idiots around (mostly male) who confuse it with poor bladder control and think it's 'disgusting'... *Switches to overkill mode* I know that's not the case. How? Because of the TASTE.



It's quite possible to fantasise about making other people happy, you know...



Definitely. Chocolate is associated with serotonin - the 'feelgood' chemical of the brain. I wonder if there is any particular reliance upon chocolate among Aspies?

I don't think I am capable of it... if I was, you'd think it would have happened at least once in thirty years. lol.



Yes. But do you never fantasize about things being done to you?



I have no idea. I seem particularly resistant any sort of effects from food or OTC medication. Chocolate does nothing for me, nor does Benadryl make me able to sleep.

No problem, conversation is a fluid thing.

I think chocolate is more something relied on by people with serotonin problems, and that a lot of aspies have problems with serotonin.

Acting on this kind of crap is what gets so many (aspie) men in trouble. I talk exactly the same language as men - I know this because I get along just fine, so long as they think I am a man, and they never know I'm not unless I tell them. And then some can't believe it.

Talking and conversation are inseparable - what is your point? If you don't talk there isn't much conversation - even if you use a keyboard to talk.

Are you confusing "talking" with "foreplay"? If you think other animals don't do it - you are sadly mistaken. Most have ELABORITE COURTSHIP RITUALS to select partners and work up to the actual act of mating. I'd say that human men (especially ones who use porn as their relationship reference) are the only ones that want to root without any ritual first.

Any male who expects a female to accept him without her checking out his genetics first, with whatever method of her choosing, is going to get rejected a hell of a lot.

But in the animal kingdom - quite a bit of the relating / conversation between the sexes - has nothing to do with sex. It often has much to do with child raising and getting enough food to eat.

I had the opportunity to go work in the United Arab Emirates or Kuwait and I said no - because women are treated like little children and have to be protected from men who think that unaccompanied women are there to meet men's sexual needs with or without consent. I like to live independently, I don't like to ask someone else's permission to go to the shops or to class etc so I'm staying clear of countries like yours. I think the cultural preference for sons is starting to have an effect. If a country won't let women make valuable contribution to their society, then families won't value them and they will put less effort into their survival - look what you have.

If women are living shorter lives, then the older men will take younger second wives, and then the younger men with fewer resources can't compete.

But it's not going to be fixed until you fix the human rights, and your attitude could use some adjustment to start with.

well your right of course... most people who i confide in tell me that i think too much... i will try your suggestion today... but i'm sure it's going to freak out a lot of women & send them running... it's their fault for being in my line of site..

It might not work, but it's worth a shot. What I wrote down for you was basically the spontaneous realization which functionally destroyed my ability to feel social anxiety in anything but "interview" style situations. lol

They're barely sentient... so who gives a damn?

wow wow.. hang on.. i think your misunderstanding what i meant.. see, when i said "talking", i really meant socialization... and i was generalizing a bit... it's true that men's drive for sex is insufferable, but then so is womens obsession with "proper eye contact", wealth, bad-boys, popular guys, etc... atleast the wealth part sort-of guarantees that the kids will be well taken care of etc, but the others? and even wealth does not a nice guy make

the reason that most men are such a**holes is because this is what women want, over several millennia this strain of men has been selected over the other kinds

but i will agree with you on the porn part... porn is just bad for one's mental health, period..



ok but i think something's gone seriously awry somewhere, because the only guys i see getting laid are the worst sort of badboys.. just yesterday i was talking in an aerobics class with this guy i recently met and he was telling me of his exploits.. just shocking... mind you, this guy spends a lot of time on personal grooming etc, he's a hash user, etc.. (good genetics? LOL).. myself, i choose to spend my time more productively (unless getting laid is ones definition of being productive)



i dunno, i think your taking my words out of context or something i dunno what.. i'm too hungry to think right now..!



wow hang on, firstly, i'm south indian, just living in UAE.. not because i choose to, but because of most countries nazi immigration policies these days (canada being a prime example: more than half the country's GDP is from the immigration scam that they're running)...

secondly, i agree with you wholeheartedly about human rights... i care about womens rights more than most women

any "attitude" i have is the hopelessness i feel when i think of humanity... it's an embarrassment of evolution

That’s not true, not all women want those things from guys. There is a vast variety of women who all want different things from guys. I think you’re not considering the fact that all human beings are unique individuals. Plus not all men have insufferable sex drives, and men who say that sort of thing often do so as an excuse for there behavior.

well i think that humans are subject to a great deal of programming.. some people who are more (super)conscious rise above that and can view themselves and the world from a 3rd person perspective... the rest are just unconscious.. after all, ones assumption that everyone around one is conscious stems from "projection" (1. i have so & so qualities, 2. everyone else looks like me, 3. therefore everyone has so & so qualities)

was it marilyn manson who described most of humanity as "mechanical animals"?