What do you think about housewives and feminism?

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23 Sep 2015, 12:02 pm

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Feminism is often utilized to market the wishes of industry. it seems like you can call anything female empowerment these days and get women to dispense of their instincts for self preservation, up to and including prostitution and wage slavery.


Yes.....but isn't that an extreme version of what has been traditionally done to men? Sometimes it boggles the mind what a lot of men will put up with from their bosses as long as they are tricked into believing that they are doing an important job and that they are fulfilling the masculine ideal.


The man usually doesn't have the luxury to simply quit if boss is abusing him, humiliating him, and being a total bag of feces- especially if he has kids and his wife is a housewife.

At times, you are not missing out much when you're away from the work market, it's full of s**t. Don't believe it's always empowering (it's only the case for the highest positions) or that it does make you feel important, in many cases it's wage slavery, humiliating and soul-sucking. ANY work where you are your own boss (ie. housewife) has more freedom and is better than a typical regular job.



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23 Sep 2015, 2:11 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
underwater wrote:
Nebogipfel wrote:
Feminism is often utilized to market the wishes of industry. it seems like you can call anything female empowerment these days and get women to dispense of their instincts for self preservation, up to and including prostitution and wage slavery.


Yes.....but isn't that an extreme version of what has been traditionally done to men? Sometimes it boggles the mind what a lot of men will put up with from their bosses as long as they are tricked into believing that they are doing an important job and that they are fulfilling the masculine ideal.


The man usually doesn't have the luxury to simply quit if boss is abusing him, humiliating him, and being a total bag of feces- especially if he has kids and his wife is a housewife.


Do you mean that women do? Where I live, very few women are housewives, which is probably why it's so controversial to be one. What I mean is that a lot of men could easily change jobs and have a better life, but to do that they might have to accept less money and less status, in exchange for better conditions and freedom, but they don't - and this applies to young guys without families as well.

There is always some kind of sacrifice. I think nobody around us has any idea how little money we have, I just have a knack for finding bargains.

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
At times, you are not missing out much when you're away from the work market, it's full of s**t. Don't believe it's always empowering (it's only the case for the highest positions) or that it does make you feel important, in many cases it's wage slavery, humiliating and soul-sucking. ANY work where you are your own boss (ie. housewife) has more freedom and is better than a typical regular job.


Trust me, I know. I've had a few jobs, some that I liked and some that I didn't, but I work hard and always find something interesting about every job. I did work for an American company once, and boy, do they know how to take the joy out of work. I would love to have my own company if I knew what to do and had a sense of time :)



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23 Sep 2015, 2:52 pm

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Believe me, this how employers (of medium sized companies at least) divide the salary budgets - they would take the marital status of the candidates into account, they would also assume that the single man will be convinced by a less salary (regardless of the equal work).

There are papers on this out there if you don't believe me.


In any country with modern employment legislation, the situation you have given above (married man vs married woman receive different salaries) is discrimination.
In the UK a single person has a higher tax allowance than a married/partnered person which will offset some, or all, of the salary difference.

I'm not saying that I don't believe you, or that it does not happen, but that this is an unacceptable practice.



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I think I have got that the wrong way round.




Btw, there's a financial benefit by law for the single status in my country...only for the single and unemployed women though.

Basically, if a woman is above 25, unmarried and unemployed, and was still living with parents before the earning parent dies, she will inherit the retirement monthly income of her working parent (after parent death) with all the social and medical security benefits - or the retirement income of the deceased highest earner parent (if both were used to work) and the related social security benefits.

She will keep taking this income as long she remains unemployed and unmarried, I knew some who refused low paying jobs because it would pay lower than the income they are taking from the state.

Unmarried and unemployed sons don't get this benefit though.



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26 Sep 2015, 8:45 am

Being a housewife by choice and being forced to by your husband because he thinks it's right that way is something different. If I was in a relationship I wouldn't want to stay in the background but also working and earning money by myself.

I don't really like the negative comments about feminism. Feminism means that women are fighting for their and other people's equality but many people see it as a negative thing. I've read enough comments on the internet like "women belong in the kitchen" or "a woman shouldn't work but be there for their kids". Yes, some of them were joking but others were serious. Even in real life I heard things like that. Some feminists are overdoing it but most of them just want to have an independent life.


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