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18 Aug 2008, 2:44 pm

i'm pretty sure we're all F***ED and looked upon as a drooling, masturbating, car driving bunch of a**holes...even the ones who walk around in frocks like me...we're NEVER going to be able to make up for the past 1000s of years of female oppression...and equality is a myth...x



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18 Aug 2008, 3:42 pm

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i'm pretty sure we're all F***ED and looked upon as a drooling, masturbating, car driving bunch of a**holes...even the ones who walk around in frocks like me...we're NEVER going to be able to make up for the past 1000s of years of female oppression...and equality is a myth...x


Yet another perfect post example of why restricting men's posts in the women's forum is necessary


The men seem to be trying harder to prove beyond any possible doubt why they shouldn't be allowed to post here than they are in trying to put forth any proof that they may actually have something of value to add don't they?



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18 Aug 2008, 3:47 pm

I say we go back a 100 years or so. Women are trying to take over the world. They've let power go to their heads. Get back to cleaning the dishes :twisted:



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18 Aug 2008, 3:57 pm

Triangular_Trees wrote:
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i'm pretty sure we're all F***ED and looked upon as a drooling, masturbating, car driving bunch of a**holes...even the ones who walk around in frocks like me...we're NEVER going to be able to make up for the past 1000s of years of female oppression...and equality is a myth...x


Yet another perfect post example of why restricting men's posts in the women's forum is necessary


The men seem to be trying harder to prove beyond any possible doubt why they shouldn't be allowed to post here than they are in trying to put forth any proof that they may actually have something of value to add don't they?


sorry, im asperger's and somewhat paranoid...i was just going on the vibes i had got from other forums and the amount of flagrant manhating that's going on at the moment...being a male thats never done anything to harm a female (even embracing alot of femininity) i feel even more paranoid at times and this post proves it. im really not sure that restricting "all" male posts is necessary, thats blatant sexism...but maybe restricting my posts will be neccessary if i don't chill about a bit...



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18 Aug 2008, 4:04 pm

*all male posts are not restricted. If that were the case you wouldn't be able to post here.

Male posts are only restricted when they either act like jackarses,or the woman requests it. And posts like yours ranting against women who complain about dehumanizing events they experience daily, and in a forum wher they should feel the most safe to be able to express their frustration about such things, show why many woman do want to be able to post their concerns, fears or worries without male input and why the definately should be able to be given such a space. Your post gave a perfect example of the behavior that the woman do not want to encounter when bringing up things that affect women daily - its just as bad to react to concerns about such behavior like that as it is to engage in such behavior.

its tough enough being someone who is groped, drooled at, slapped on the butt etc without being criticized for complaining about it. You will never have the experience to know how dehumanizing and upsetting that behavior is because you are a male. It doesn't matter how hard you try, you can never empathize with it. And posts like yours do not only insult the people who are victims of such behavior, they make others afraid to share the empathy and feel even more ashamed about what happened to them



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18 Aug 2008, 4:07 pm

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Well it's not meant as an insult to you men. You guys need to calm down. Sometimes we women post things that we would be embarrassed to talk about around men, and a lot of the time it's things that I've known men to be like "ewww gross" about. There are feminine things that men do not want to hear about and they will be discussed here. So you kind of need to deal with that. Since your all reacting like this. If I post something in this forum that most men I know would not want to talk about I don't wanna get a response saying "ewww gross" or something of that nature. Because it's a woman's section and you knew that coming in here.


I agree with what Fossy says, I have no problem with men reading and posting, I am just curious as to WHY they want to read stuff about periods and the like. I wouldn't enjoy reading a thread about penile dysfunction or semen. Some guy enlighten me :)


I don't particularly care for reading the stuff about periods and bodily functions, but the female mind thinks differently than the male mind, and treat most of the stuff here as a learning experience. I realize that by coming in here, I may occasionally run across some of this, but my male mind simply wants to understand the female mind better. I already have enough difficulties working up the nerve to talk to you, the more I learn about you before, the easier it will be for me to talk and avoid saying the wrong thing. When I see a thread that I know will simply be about the more "disgusting" biological functions, I'll simply skip reading it.



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18 Aug 2008, 4:13 pm

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(even embracing alot of femininity)


um, i really don't see how that's relevent... an effeminate man does not better understand the experience of being a woman. they still only understand the experience of being a man.


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18 Aug 2008, 4:17 pm

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its tough enough being someone who is groped, drooled at, slapped on the butt etc without being criticized for complaining about it. You will never have the experience to know how dehumanizing and upsetting that behavior is because you are a male.


no, i get 19 years of complete isolation and lonliness, i get complete rejection and crap at school, and i can't use my sex as a damned EXCUSE for it...before finally meeting a person for 6 months, and then another few years of isolation and lonliness....i mean, i can't believe you're saying this crap at me...you have no idea how good you've got it...i mean...really...

so yeah, i'm gonna stop posting here because you are clearly on the wrong wrong planet from me...i mean....my god...x



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18 Aug 2008, 4:21 pm

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its tough enough being someone who is groped, drooled at, slapped on the butt etc without being criticized for complaining about it. You will never have the experience to know how dehumanizing and upsetting that behavior is because you are a male.


no, i get 19 years of complete isolation and lonliness, i get complete rejection and crap at school, and i can't use my sex as a damned EXCUSE for it...before finally meeting a person for 6 months, and then another few years of isolation and lonliness....i mean, i can't believe you're saying this crap at me...you have no idea how good you've got it...i mean...really...

so yeah, i'm gonna stop posting here because you are clearly on the wrong wrong planet from me...i mean....my god...x


wow. i was trying to cut you some slack, but i think that settled things rather clearly. yeah, you have proved trianglar trees point pretty irrevocably. yes, please go away now.


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18 Aug 2008, 4:24 pm

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its tough enough being someone who is groped, drooled at, slapped on the butt etc without being criticized for complaining about it. You will never have the experience to know how dehumanizing and upsetting that behavior is because you are a male.


no, i get 19 years of complete isolation and lonliness, i get complete rejection and crap at school, and i can't use my sex as a damned EXCUSE for it...before finally meeting a person for 6 months, and then another few years of isolation and lonliness....i mean, i can't believe you're saying this crap at me...you have no idea how good you've got it...i mean...really...

so yeah, i'm gonna stop posting here because you are clearly on the wrong wrong planet from me...i mean....my god...x


And this again is a perfect example of why male posts need to be restricted here. Now you are claiming woman using being women as an excuse when they complain about being dehumanized by men for things they have no control over, like body characteristics.

This lack of empathy, which comes from your lack of experience, is very belittling, arrogant and demeaning. And no matter how hard you try you will never be able to empthasize because being male its impossible for you to encounter some of the experiences that females encounter daily.

Why don't you tell us why you feel a need to constantly belittle and criticize woman, blaming them for all of your problems?



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18 Aug 2008, 4:26 pm

I don't think he was really doing that. Isn't he pissed off for not being accepted, like he's a girl trapped in a guys body?



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18 Aug 2008, 4:29 pm

i really don't....i blame society for all my problems..........their arbritrary labels..."men"..."women"...."black"....."jew".....anything really.....i'm horrified about the way you get ogled, just as much as the way i've been isolated most of my life....if we can lose these arbritrary labels which have little to do with biology (there was a pregnant "man" a while back who clearly was female with a womb) and start all just being "human beings" then i believe we can all just live together nicely and respectfully...................i'm pretty sure everyone else is too tied up in labels, their upbringing and said emotional impact to these labels.....x



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18 Aug 2008, 4:34 pm

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i really don't....i blame society for all my problems..........their arbritrary labels..."men"..."women"...."black"....."jew".....anything really.....i'm horrified about the way you get ogled, just as much as the way i've been isolated most of my life....if we can lose these arbritrary labels which have little to do with biology (there was a pregnant "man" a while back who clearly was female with a womb) and start all just being "human beings" then i believe we can all just live together nicely and respectfully...................i'm pretty sure everyone else is too tied up in labels, their upbringing and said emotional impact to these labels.....x



I am male. But that in no way keeps me from being a woman. I post here because there are topics about being a woman that only fellow woman can understand - from social experiences down to female problems.

I would not go into the adult forum and say "I haven't had my period in 4 months and am no longer eligible for birth control as I need medicaid to pay my $20,000 in medical bills" as that would be highly embarassing. However thats a situation that many women here have found themselves in and won't mind offering advice and so i see nothing wrong with posting it in this forum.


You say you are against labels. Then why are you labeling someone who is clearly and legally male, has a penis and the brain of a male is being female solely because they have a womb? Ignoring everything about that person that shows they are in fact male?



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18 Aug 2008, 4:43 pm

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You say you are against labels. Then why are you labeling someone who is clearly and legally male, has a penis and the brain of a male is being female solely because they have a womb? Ignoring everything about that person that shows they are in fact male?


they didn't have a penis :( they didn't get the full sex change, and i assumed womb = female.

thanks for explaining about the men's forum...of course, if i ran things, there wouldn't be any kind of sexism in the world but there we go...looks like the women's forum is here to stay, ill bid you goodbye, and sit in the corner throwing up about this horrific bigender society and the roles and experiences we all face differently just because we were or weren't born with a dick.

bye.x



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18 Aug 2008, 4:50 pm

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You say you are against labels. Then why are you labeling someone who is clearly and legally male, has a penis and the brain of a male is being female solely because they have a womb? Ignoring everything about that person that shows they are in fact male?


they didn't have a penis :( they didn't get the full sex change, and i assumed womb = female.

thanks for explaining about the men's forum...of course, if i ran things, there wouldn't be any kind of sexism in the world but there we go...looks like the women's forum is here to stay, ill bid you goodbye, and sit in the corner throwing up about this horrific bigender society and the roles and experiences we all face differently just because we were or weren't born with a dick.

bye.x


Yes he did have a penis. Look it up. Testosterone enlarged his clitoris into a small penis

i think the problem here is that you don't understand a ftm sex change - its nowhere near as perfected as mtf. It isn't possible to get a penis you can pee through. At best you can only have the vulva partially sewn up and thats advised against. You must keep the vagina. the best penis ftms get is a rolledup flap of skin - thats why many prefer to use packies rather than having a bottom surgery. With a packy you can pee standing up and have erections. With the surgery you can't pee standing up and pretty much have to choose between being erect all the time or never being erect.



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18 Aug 2008, 4:58 pm

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I am male. But that in no way keeps me from being a woman.

And no matter how hard you try you will never be able to empthasize because being male its impossible for you to encounter some of the experiences that females encounter daily.


i'm stopping this now, please do not post again because i will be forced to respond and this whole thing will continue till the end of time....we disagree, that's pretty much it, i will not post in the "woman's" forum any more.x