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LKL
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17 Oct 2008, 2:30 pm

Haliphron, you seem to be presupposing a situation where the woman works fewer hours, or not at all. That's not statistically the case for most partnerships these days. Of course it is reasonable for the partner who works less to take on more of the housework, but if both are working 40 hrs a week then both should also take on equal shares of the housework.



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17 Oct 2008, 6:53 pm

LKL wrote:
Haliphron, you seem to be presupposing a situation where the woman works fewer hours, or not at all. That's not statistically the case for most partnerships these days. Of course it is reasonable for the partner who works less to take on more of the housework, but if both are working 40 hrs a week then both should also take on equal shares of the housework.



I dont know what that stats are for married couples where both spouses have a 40-hour work week but yeah, if you live with someone else that you certainly WILL have more housework to do. But Im not really sure what the point of this whole thread is other than to b***h and whine...... :?



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17 Oct 2008, 7:07 pm

You say that like it's a bad thing. :)
Sometimes bitching and whining to one's same-gender friends is the valve that lets off relationship steam, and allows things to stay relatively smooth in the home.



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18 Oct 2008, 3:26 am

If I ever have a live-in partner, roommate, etc., I'm gonna have to establish a clean-after-yourself policy. For one, I'm going to be working a lot, being a lawyer and all, so no one will have the excuse of me sitting on my ass all day doing nothing. Also, a lot of things upset my senses - certain kinds of food and liquids really bother me to feel them, for instance. I will wash my own dishes, because they have food that doesn't bother me texturally. However, washing other people's dishes is quite literally nauseating because of my texture issues. I'll clean up my own mess, but out of necessity and hygiene more than anything. I am definitely not a neat-freak or a good organizer, so anyone looking for that in a partner better find someone else. :wink:

I rather resent some of the comments here that say that women (and by extension myself) have no control over their lives and bodies. The assumption that because my body is female I need to clean everything whether or not I like it is ridiculous. I am in control of my body, not the opposite way around, when it comes to life decisions, and no one and nothing will coerce me into having kids or getting married if I don't want to. If someone makes a problem for me and tries to limit my autonomy because of what I was born with between my legs, I'll fight them and wipe the floor with them, or at least make it so they won't decide my life for me. I don't need anyone, for whatever reason, be it pity or condescension, to tell me that I can't look after myself and make my own decisions. There are very few situations where someone could actually force me to do something I didn't want to. That's not a matter of male and female. That's a matter of me being a person with a strong will, a sense of what I want to do in life, and the experience of having to fight for my independence in other ways and not being ready to give it up again any time soon.



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18 Oct 2008, 7:42 pm

LKL wrote:
You say that like it's a bad thing. :)
Sometimes bitching and whining to one's same-gender friends is the valve that lets off relationship steam, and allows things to stay relatively smooth in the home.


There's nothing wrong with bitching(/kvetching), but women really need to get out of the habit of blaming men for everything-including their problems. :wink:



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18 Oct 2008, 9:30 pm

sure-
as soon as men get out of the habit of blaming women for everything, including their problems.