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18 Aug 2008, 5:04 pm

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I am male. But that in no way keeps me from being a woman.

And no matter how hard you try you will never be able to empthasize because being male its impossible for you to encounter some of the experiences that females encounter daily.


i'm stopping this now, please do not post again because i will be forced to respond and this whole thing will continue till the end of time....we disagree, that's pretty much it, i will not post in the "woman's" forum any more.x



First you complain that you aren't allowed to post here, and now you are complaining because we are forcing you to post here?

Odd indeed



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18 Aug 2008, 5:07 pm

the problem is....you've assumed everything i've said is aimed at a group of people (ie women) whereas i've only been responding to YOU...and the rather harsh cues that you have given me, the emotional flashbacks that these bring out (post traumatic stress disorder). i have nothing against males, females, cats, clowns, badgers, jews, and every other type of arbitrary group under the sun...so will you please leave me alone? just let this thread get back to other people posting...if you want a chat just IM me and we'll sort it out.

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18 Aug 2008, 5:16 pm

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i'm pretty sure we're all F***ED and looked upon as a drooling, masturbating, car driving bunch of a**holes...even the ones who walk around in frocks like me...we're NEVER going to be able to make up for the past 1000s of years of female oppression...and equality is a myth...x


Yet another perfect post example of why restricting men's posts in the women's forum is necessary


The men seem to be trying harder to prove beyond any possible doubt why they shouldn't be allowed to post here than they are in trying to put forth any proof that they may actually have something of value to add don't they?


sorry, im asperger's and somewhat paranoid...i was just going on the vibes i had got from other forums and the amount of flagrant manhating that's going on at the moment...being a male thats never done anything to harm a female (even embracing alot of femininity) i feel even more paranoid at times and this post proves it. im really not sure that restricting "all" male posts is necessary, thats blatant sexism...but maybe restricting my posts will be neccessary if i don't chill about a bit...


Xanderbeanz, can you really call yourself a man? You're a frock-wearing femme.



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18 Aug 2008, 5:17 pm

Xanderbeanz wrote:
the problem is....you've assumed everything i've said is aimed at a group of people (ie women) whereas i've only been responding to YOU...and the rather harsh cues that you have given me, the emotional flashbacks that these bring out (post traumatic stress disorder). i have nothing against males, females, cats, clowns, badgers, jews, and every other type of arbitrary group under the sun...so will you please leave me alone? just let this thread get back to other people posting...if you want a chat just IM me and we'll sort it out.

x


Xanderbean, please knock this off already.

if you stop insulting women, they'll stop responding rudely to you.

And why shouldn't trees be allowed to post here? She's a woman and this is the women's forum. There was no reason for you to come in here, rant and rave against women, and then demand a woman no longer post here solely because she countered the fact that you were being so ignorant to her and all other's like her. You brought rudeness and insults into this thread.

if you don't like woman posting about woman's issues the solution is simple - don't come to the woman's forum. Or are you not mature enough to act in such a responsible manner?


That would explain why you are telling woman not to post in the women's forum for your own benefit.

*Is it possible to ban someone from posting in this forum entirely, rather than having to just delete their posts? because I think thats exactly whats needed here



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18 Aug 2008, 5:23 pm

sorry, im never going to understand your bigender system, i see people, not women, or men....trees was treating me very harshly for me simply stating an opinion (that i've heard many many times on tv and in other forums) i explained my actions and, admittedly went into emotional flashback when trees was treating me in such a harsh tone....now stop having a go at me...i don't understand societies bigender system and don't think it's right...all aspies have certain things where they don't click with society and i assumed that people on here would be more sympathetic....obviously not...now leave me alone!



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18 Aug 2008, 5:26 pm

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sorry, im never going to understand your bigender system, i see people, not women, or men....trees was treating me very harshly for me simply stating an opinion (that i've heard many many times on tv and in other forums) i explained my actions and, admittedly went into emotional flashback when trees was treating me in such a harsh tone....now stop having a go at me...i don't understand societies bigender system and don't think it's right...all aspies have certain things where they don't click with society and i assumed that people on here would be more sympathetic....obviously not...now leave me alone!


Look at what you wrote about women - do you really think you can insult all women so harshly unprovoked and responded to with happy, happy, joy, joy?



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18 Aug 2008, 5:28 pm

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i'm pretty sure we're all F***ED and looked upon as a drooling, masturbating, car driving bunch of a**holes...even the ones who walk around in frocks like me...we're NEVER going to be able to make up for the past 1000s of years of female oppression...and equality is a myth...x



Here you go. I guess you forgot that you wrote this.



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18 Aug 2008, 5:34 pm

i truly believe that....we live in a society that is in complete gender war. men hate women, women hate men, theres so much banter and BS, yet they all seem to breed for some reason......i dont understand it.

and i wrote nothing factually offensive about women...the worst i did in this forum was have an emotional flashback (for obvious reasons) that i thought being ogled would be far more pleasant than having 19 years of isolation...something i guess im not quite qualified to speak in and i apologise for this one statement....

im really not sure what the problem is anymore....i said my opinion....im getting out of your forum...so stop having a go at me! s**t! i've had too many people drag me down in life! stop doing it!



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18 Aug 2008, 5:35 pm

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I am male. But that in no way keeps me from being a woman.


Actually, it does. I won't enable your confusion, I won't humour you.



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18 Aug 2008, 5:38 pm

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I am male. But that in no way keeps me from being a woman.


Actually, it does. I won't enable your confusion, I won't humour you.



nope it doesn't. Your gender is determined by your brain, your sex by your body.

My gender is male, my sex is female. Both can be proven scientifically by doctors who do an examination. A brain scan can show i am male just as much as removing my pants can show I am a woman


*There are many cultures of the world, particularly native american tribes, who recognized and accepted this long ago. In some tribes when there was a question about which of the 4 genders a child was, they would set the child in a teepee- or something similar with a weave and and a bow and arrow. THen they'd light the teepee on fire. If the child saved the loom, they were then raised as a female. If they saved the bow and arrow they were raised as a male. Those raised as males would be given females for wives, and vice versa, regardless of what body parts they had



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18 Aug 2008, 5:42 pm

Xanderbeanz, I wish there was something I could say that would help you. But there is nothing. I can't imagine what kind of suffering you've had, nor do I pretend to. Would it be completely wretched of me to recommend prayer and God? :?

I'd rather help you than pull you down, despite what you must think.



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18 Aug 2008, 5:45 pm

it would be in vain, because i cannot believe in a omnipotent being who would allow such things to happen....anyway....the prayer thing may work, but in a different way...stuff like meditation perhaps....ill ask about it at my local asperger group meeting tomorrow x



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18 Aug 2008, 5:59 pm

If you can eventually find some peace and happiness, Xander, that would please me much much more than winning a new convert. I hope you can find peace and love and all the things life has denied you so far.

Good luck.



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19 Aug 2008, 10:57 am

My brother is gay, so to me it's obvious that not all males are the same. The more effeminate males also have their issues, though not necessarily the same ones women have. Is there somewhere on WP where it is safe to discuss those issues?

I don't have a problem with men wanting to talk about masculinity/femininity issues here if there isn't anywhere else on WP where it's safe to do so. I do have a problem with people making assumptions about demographic groups they're not a member of. I think assuming that Xanderbeanz is just as privileged as other males is probably as bad as Xanderbeanz assuming women have it good, though this may not be the place for him to discuss his issues even if he were more diplomatic.

It is interesting, though, that a feminine man would like being ogled more than the women here do.



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19 Aug 2008, 11:10 am

It's not right that anyone should have to suffer this gender confusion. It seems worse than being gay or lesbian.



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19 Aug 2008, 11:14 am

Anemone wrote:
I do have a problem with people making assumptions about demographic groups they're not a member of. I think assuming that Xanderbeanz is just as privileged as other males is probably as bad as Xanderbeanz assuming women have it good, though this may not be the place for him to discuss his issues even if he were more diplomatic.

It is interesting, though, that a feminine man would like being ogled more than the women here do.


yeah i'm starting to realise that i'm clearly not a regular male in anyway...when people say "men do this, and women do that" i should probably, instead of getting offended, completely remove myself from the equation...this doesn't remove the feelings of major isolation and lonliness i have always felt though, which i guess is the main problem...this is probably why i love to be ogled, its good to feel attractive, and you feel less lonely as you are appealing to someone...(ok on a very basic shallow level, but its still a nice emotion)

would be nice to have some kind of large universal group to cling to (sisterly and brotherly solidarity and all that) and talking to other asperger's people on the internet has made me feel a little less alone..

anyway....im sorry if i offended anyone, i am, at complete loggerheads with society in many many ways and this thing is bound to happen from time to time.x