Slut Walk

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I am a man trying to understand the motivation behind the slut walk. To me, it would be the same as if a deer would put flashing lights on its antlers and have a neon bulls-eyes on different parts of its body during hunting season and then complain that hunters are harrassing it and shooting at it. (BTW, I am not a hunter) I can get the point that some women feel as if they are prey and are tired of men leering at them but aren't women who dress provocatively encouraging that type of behavior?
I am trying to understand this so please help if you can.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SlutWalk

The point is that one's mode of dress never justifies harassment or worse.

This. Also, if you actually think that men are such beasts that they cannot control whether or not they assault people then... dude, you must think really lowly of men. We're not animals, we do have self-control. And if we lack the basic level of self-control and decency to not assault people then we deserve everything said about us and should probably be put somewhere away from decent people the rest of our natural born lives.

harassment, no
but I think he's refering to women who "let it all hang out" then get mad at men who just look? beliving that I only want certain men looking?

I personally think women can dress however they want.

I do agree that many men do and should have self control. However it seems men try to justify the oppression of women and s**t because their men, there animalistic and they cant control themselves. The somehow a women breaks into the male social code.

I think this sums it up beautifully. I am sorry girls, but if you have everything showing, then you have to expect that guys are going to look. And not only the cute guys you are trying to attract, but also the dirty old men. That's human nature.

But as you point out, no matter how a woman is dressed, she has the right to expect to be safe. I am stunned that some of society that expect a woman to cover up or else she 'deserves what she gets'. That's like stating that men are no better than animals, and can't control themselves.

The word he used was "leering".
Personally, I'm not offended by someone just looking at me. Leering is a different matter. If men can't refrain from acting like dogs in a meat market then maybe they should be forced to wear blindfolds in public and have a carer to lead them around.

So can men.



Impressed?

Looks like a beach in Greece. Going topless is pretty much half expected at the beach there (both genders).

+1. I just made the identical point in another thread. As for that pic, it reminded me of a neighborhood "Speedo Guy" who washed his car similarly attired. He had every right to, but we did reserve the right to giggle.

The idea of the Slut Walk goes like this: ladies all get together to teach men that just because a woman dresses a certain way doesn't give them the right to act on their impulse and attack women. Not only that, but it tries to get rid of the stigma that any girl who gets raped or judged is wearing something skimpy or that they are a slut. It all goes back to feminism, and the attempt to get it through our heads that it isn't fair to shame women for just being human. After all, being sexual is a human thing, but when it is being owned by women, it's a very dirty practice.

It even tries to say that even if the women choose to own their sexuality, It does not mean that the guy has any right to force it out of her because then, she looks like less of a whore than him. After all, the idea of a whore is that they will f**k anything they please without control, and as much as this would most definitely apply to some dudes, it never does get applied to the guys.

As for the whole thing about women provoking men by the way they dress, I do get your point. Some ladies don't really understand that when you are around a man, they will get horny and think something about you. It will happen all the time, whether they like it or not. So, for this, they have to be extra responsible for the language they send. However, it's apparent that even doing that will not stop women from getting raped or judged. One girl was even holding a sign that she was wearing a hoodie when she was raped. Nothing skimpy or anything of that nature

So, when you think of the Slut Walk, think of the women who are trying to fight for their right to be women (sexuality and all) without 1) being attacked by men for it and 2) being used for men's own amusement.

Thinking is fine. I think about punching people every time I go out.

I'd agree with that....looking is one thing but harassment is certainly not justified.

The problem with Slut Walks for me is that I'm as scared of leering as much as men are. I hate feeling like a pervert. That's why I stay away from 'feminist stripping' or burlesque type events. They make me feel like a dirty old man in a woman's body, and they also remind me how fat and ugly I am. I know a lot of the women who do that sort of thing are queer as well, and probably don't mind my looking, but it does makes me feel like an extra-perverted sort of queer because I don't feel worthy.

I used to gravitate more towards second-wave feminism (which I now distance myself from because it's dogmatic and transphobic) because at least those women keep their clothes on (thus I feel less uncomfortable).

My issues aside, the point is that women can do what they want with their own bodies and be free from harassment and rape.

Oh, I thought this thread was going to be about the 'walk of shame.' Anyhow, I second everything Who_Am_I said.