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I cannot subscribe that. At least around here in middle europe, because of the damaging effects of alcohol on early brain development, specially when you are trying to conceive, you are socially expected to behave already, as if you were already pregnant, to avoid drinking in the first weeks of a fetus development. So my personal oppinion that I mentioned, that I wouldnt doom for drinking 3 half glasses of sect on some festivities, during pregnancy, is for the area I live already very moderated.

From my oppinion yes, you should avoid unnecessary riscs. Because of the misadvantages of me having no job, being a greater risc for a potential pregnancy, then the risc of driving to work and working, I still drive to work, but would avoid to drive unnecessary around. Its not only about having traffic accidents, but sitting around as well increases the risc for thromboses, that are simply a risc for myself. ^^ Why a public place should be a risc in general, I dont understand, but yes, this year while my partner and I were trying to conceive I did not join "the pit" during the "system of a down" concert, or tried to push myself into the front area of it, where the headbanging and rambling takes place.

Alcohol has been scientifically proven to be a nerve and brain poison, and so to be a risc for a childs development. Again I want to mention, that I am moderate about it and as a technician aware of the importancy of amounts: So no, half a glass of sect every three months, wont have an measurable effect. Still I think, that if someone thinks that avoiding an needless substance for some months, makes his live "no way living", should spend thoughts about, how to generally increase his lifes quality for his own sake, because in general you shouldnt feel like that only because of avoiding moderate drugs for some time. If it was like that, then every kid would live a life, thats no way living. And I see lots of happy kids, that seem to have fun without any moderate drug usage, so it seems that there definitely are ways to live ones life without that. As well that as a Rock and Metal lover and regular festival visitor and camper, you dont need to tell me how much fun a bit of alcohol (= drinking beer all day with some hard stuff additions because of lost games XD) can be, but still avoiding it actually does not make my life "no way to live".

As already written in another thread, the missing caffeine was much more of a trouble for me then the alcohol and cigarettes. ^^

Well, you don't have to give up caffeine either. Has anyone seen this new book? Looks like an interesting read: http://www.amazon.com/Expecting-Better- ... 1594204756

Pregnancy is about a woman making choices for herself for what she is willing to do to keep her fetus safe. It isn't up to all of us to police pregnant women. And in the absence of true scientific research, there is no reason a pregnant woman can't sip on a glass of wine every now and then. Honestly, they give pregnant women narcotics during childbirth, and this is okay? But having a few sips of wine is bad?

I know that there is no law, forcing me to give up caffeine. ^^ But I can decide to do that, without anyone policying me to do so. You are right its all about choices and responsibility. But if I decide to do choices, that raise in percentual amounts the chances of my kid becoming more hyperactive and nervous, then I wont have a chance later to decide if I want to deal with that. ^^ Then I will be forced to deal with that, without any choices. ^^ With that its just like books about climatic changes. There are books and researches against it and for it. So if you simply want a book, agreeing with your oppinion, it will be easy to find. While if you are focusing instead on how many scientific researches and scientists being experts for that, stand behind the opinions of these books, the variety shrinks rapidly.

Absolutely. But its definitely up to me to police myself, because of me being responsible for myself, my behavior, and the effects that it has on others. There IS tons of true scientific research, we are living in 21 century and not in midi age. ^^ Every little sip of wine I do, is scientifically truly proven, having an negative effect on my brain. ^^ And it is on me to decide if I am willing to do so or not, no problem with that, and as said, I DO decide from now and then, to do so. ^^ I am a grown up person, and it is on me to decide that, just as my kids shall decide that, when they are grown up. But right now while trying to conceive, potential kids of mine, are not grown up, and my decision is bound to their decision. So I dont know about you, but until a certain age, I dont want my kids to smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol (I live in central europe, so it will be around 14 years. ^^) and if I decide that I dont want my kids to smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol until a certain age, then that means, that for the certain time, that we share meals, that I will as well not smoke cigarettes and alcohol for that certain time, because of MINE desicion, that I dont want my kids to drink alcohol until 14. Thats certainly early enough for a kid to start with moderate drugusage. (I think out of an US view, that age is very moderate. ^^)

I dont know about your country, but around here, you only get narcotics, if the negative effects of giving you no narcotics is already higher then those of the narcotics or if they are forced to do an OP to get the child, when it is highly important that the woman dont jump around, while they are cutting around her belly with sharp knives.. (Means as example, that because of the pain the blood pressure is already bursting the limit and that there is a risc for the mothers life.) If you mean the typical PDA, that is out of the same TRUE ^^ scientific research highly critisized by medicals. I dont have an personal oppinion about it now, out of scientific research its logically not to do one, as long as its not necessary out of medical causes. But until I had my first birth, I wont judge about it, until I dont know myself about the "emotional" need to reduce my pain by myself. ^^ By logic, right now I choose to have no PDA, but I dont know, how much I want to listen to my logic when the fun starts.

But comparing the PDA to alcohol is in my oppinion a bit weird. While the decision about an PDA is based on enduring horrible pain as far as I know, my decision about alcohol until now was about...not being drunk, when visiting a rock concert. So as said, I dont want to judge someone about the PDA until I had birth myself, but out of experience I already can tell you, that visiting concerts and listening to good music without alcohol is not painful. ^^

As said, I am not holy, so I drink from now and then, I smoke from now and then, from now and then as well some weed... ^^, and I like to do so from now and then. But I simply think that small kids shouldnt do so, specially my own future one, and I dont get all that discussion about it. So its only about reducing some fundrugs for a certain amount of time, not about something really affecting your life. From my oppinion its like someone doing a discussion, because of being told, that you should avoid bungee jumping during pregnancy. Yop, bungee jumping is funny, but if avoiding it for 9 months definitely isnt worth an discussion.

I live in a European country and it is usual for women to stop drinking alcohol when pregnant. In fact, it is often the case that people guess a woman is pregnant because they see her refusing alcohol and sticking to soft drinks instead.

The book I linked to she is evaluating the scientific research and telling us what it really says, as opposed to what the popular belief about it is, which is quite different.

And also, in this country, if I want narcotics in labor they will give it to me. There is zero discouragement of that, and in fact, they want you to take some sort of pain relief so you are not a problem to them, so they push it on you. You can take narcotics, like Nubain, that can affect the baby and depress their respiratory system. They then need to give the baby another drug after it is born. Sure, labor is painful, but you can do it without pain relief, and pain relief is a risk, so if the point is to avoid all potential risks, then how is that okay?