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30 May 2014, 1:49 pm

The current diagnosis is based on social skills deficit and repetitive behavior. Here are the changes I propose for female assessment based on all the research that I read about it:

- comparison to other age group females as controls, not males or general population. Seems obvious but currently this is not being done.
- focus on literal language and sensory sensitivities instead of repetitive behavior. Girls present much less repetitive behavior, some have subtle stims like moving hair strand.
- not measure the social mistakes made or lack of social understanding but rather how much effort it takes for a social interaction an NT girl would take for granted. That also includes the shorter time of filling social cup and meltdowns when getting home.

I believe those points are a main step for less females going undiagnosed.
if you are a female and don't fit the female aspie descriptions it's okay, those traits are based on large groups so of course individual particularities are allowed ;)



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30 May 2014, 3:26 pm

You are exactly right, subtle and even invisible stims are incredibly common.

How might they measure the "effort it takes for a social interaction?"
Blood pressure? Heart rate? Electroencephalography? Galvanic skin response? It might work...

How do they know, superficially, the difference between affected "cutesy" shyness and social difficulty?
Or behavior tested in Clinical safety vs. a real-life dance "par-tay!" with intimidatingly sexy people?

...Can't wait for an objective test: blood, brain scan, DNA -or something unambiguous.


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30 May 2014, 7:59 pm

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How do they know, superficially, the difference between affected "cutesy" shyness and social difficulty?


Little cutesy shy girl: giggles, turns her head away coyly, twists her foot shyly and gives off about a billion other social cues.

Little girl with social difficulties: Blank expression, matter-of-fact manner of speech, no vocal inflection, only answers direct questions, is concise to the point of being curt. That last point only really applies to the introverted ones, though.

Even superficially, they look very, very different.


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30 May 2014, 8:45 pm

I think you can just ask the person, at what point do you need a break from social interaction.

Or observe if younger.



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30 May 2014, 8:55 pm

Who_Am_I wrote:
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How do they know, superficially, the difference between affected "cutesy" shyness and social difficulty?


Little cutesy shy girl: giggles, turns her head away coyly, twists her foot shyly and gives off about a billion other social cues.

Little girl with social difficulties: Blank expression, matter-of-fact manner of speech, no vocal inflection, only answers direct questions, is concise to the point of being curt. That last point only really applies to the introverted ones, though.

Even superficially, they look very, very different.

agreed. of course aspies can also be shy but the reason shy people have trouble socially is because they get nervous and anxious; aspies have trouble because they don't get it. it's different you know? even the female aspies that can interact usually make huge efforts to be able to keep up with the conversations and non-verbal clues and after 20 minutes or so are damn exhausted. they don't know how to interpret people and their intentions and make huge intellectual effort. this is different from shyness which is basically social anxiety.

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Can't wait for an objective test: blood, brain scan, DNA -or something unambiguous.

this would be great



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04 Jun 2014, 5:49 pm

With regard to issue of repetitive behaviors vs. sensory stims/differences in self-regulation:
For me, I'd speculate that sensory disturbances (hypersensitivity or excessively negative) are a reason for my repetitive behavior in some domains (blocking out what I dislike),
and/or that my heightened sense of enjoyment (saturating myself with what makes me feel good) is why I repeat experiences I like.

For instance, I like the music I like, so I play it a lot-and it helps to screen out the other noises in my environment that bother me (traffic/motors, children shrieking outside).
And I like what I like in part bc. since it's the same song or songs-I'm guaranteed a comforting familiar safe known experience that will soothe and please me, rather than some unpredictable novel strange unknown thing that I'll probably find jarring and irritating


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04 Jun 2014, 6:38 pm

Belfast wrote:
With regard to issue of repetitive behaviors vs. sensory stims/differences in self-regulation:
For me, I'd speculate that sensory disturbances (hypersensitivity or excessively negative) are a reason for my repetitive behavior in some domains (blocking out what I dislike),
and/or that my heightened sense of enjoyment (saturating myself with what makes me feel good) is why I repeat experiences I like.

For instance, I like the music I like, so I play it a lot-and it helps to screen out the other noises in my environment that bother me (traffic/motors, children shrieking outside).
And I like what I like in part bc. since it's the same song or songs-I'm guaranteed a comforting familiar safe known experience that will soothe and please me, rather than some unpredictable novel strange unknown thing that I'll probably find jarring and irritating

same for me. I also listen to the same songs thousands of times in a row.
for me it also has to do with optimal choice. like, I already know the best bathroom in the college building I study in is in the 4th floor, so I always go there. Using other bathrooms seem unnecessary or irritating if I already know the 4th floor one is the best.