Male Birth Control is Oppression Against Women!

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When a man has a vasectomy, uses a condom, or applies some other form of birth control, he is oppressing women, because:

1) He is pre-empting the reproductive rights of the woman he is having sex with.

2) He is objectifying the woman he is having sex with as a sexual object.

3) He is deriving pleasure from the sexual act.

4) He is avoiding paternity, and all of the support that the law would require him to give.

So, men should do nothing insofar as contraception is concerned, right?

Right?

you know that can be turned around easily? maybe that was even the point you wanted to make.

1) SHe is pre-empting the reproductive rights of the man she is having sex with.

2) SHe is objectifying the man she is having sex with as a sexual object.

3) SHe is deriving pleasure from the sexual act.

4) SHe is avoiding paternity, and all of the support that the law would require her to give.
hrm the last one doesnt really work. well still a point in the argument.

I'm still hoping that some women will post to either confirm or deny my OP as their POV.

Maybe his partner doesn't want kids either and they are deriving mutual pleasure from the sex act.

As far as reproductive rights, you can have semen sent to your home (cheaper) or to your doctor (more expensive but better odds) from a sperm bank. If you can't afford the sperm from a bank you can't afford to raise a child.

Not Right!
1 & 4
While a man has the possibility of nonconsented impregnation, by rape or by persuasion or tricking into having sex, but that goes both ways, so why not nonconsented non-impregnation.
In a perfect humanity there would only be consented sex, but that's not where we are now, maybe its ok to strive for consented reproduction.
Yeah why not, protecting yourself from becoming father against your wish. Or not putting all responsability on the woman for not getting pregnant, I would like shared responsability and shared acting on upon it!

2 & 3 you'r joking hey?? 2 for media's money making model, 3 for religion's perverting persuasion.

Not sure I get your point. I always thought that male birth control was a great idea for those women who can't use hormonal birth control because of the side effects they experience, so they need an alternative.

I suppose if the man had a vasectomy and then got into a long term relationship with a woman who wanted children, but didn't tell her, then that would be a bad thing and vice versa because they would be deceiveing the other who may find out only when it's too late to have kids and then they are hurt that the opportunity was taken from them, that's the only bad side I can see, but it requires an active imagination to believe someone would actually do that.

Eberrything is oppression against eberryone!

Fnord, your existence on the same planet as me is oppression and an invasion of my woman's space.

I can't figure out how to respond to this without calling you a crazy-pants.

...I'm sorry. I just did.
sorry. kindasorry.
No, ok, that's crazypants stuff.

I can't figure out how else to respond.
sorry, I forgot like... a wink or something... [insert wink here]

Last edited by SignOfLazarus on 20 Feb 2015, 1:18 am, edited 1 time in total.

Wait! i got a better idea:

I thought that might be a starting point?

Actually I will make it known before marriage that I expect babies and if we don't have them in a couple of years we WILL see a specialist. And if I find out he had a vasectomy may God have mercy on him because my lawyer will not! (See I'd already thought of this, men can be devious.)

I once saw a guy doing stand-up on TV saying that birth control pills were probably invented by a bunch of horny male scientists just so they could have sex constantly. "C'mon, let's get these pills made so we can have sex all the time!!"

Personally I think better them than us because a hysterectomy is a much more difficult, risky and painful surgery that takes a lot longer to recover from than a vasectomy. I thought most guys would rather lose a limb in war than get the old snip-snip, because a) They see their ability to knock up some poor woman as being "immortal", as in their genes living on in a future generation, and b) They think they will lose their masculinity if they do it. Simple as that.

No, it's more like the fear of baring one's genitals while sedated to someone with a sharp knife.

Fnord - that's crazypants* - wtf are you talking about?

Personally, while I'm in the slim window of possible fertility but too old to want to take that on again - I love a partner with a vasectomy.

Condoms rock, too.

Adults in a consenting sexual relationship who are open and honest and in agreement about birth control options and other matters sexual are not oppressing each other (at least in that aspect of their relationship!)

*See SignofLazarus that wasn't so hard.

This was brought on by a recent discussion of birth-control and who had the right to practice it.

One woman was adamant in claiming that the right to birth control was a women-only right, and that any man who practiced birth control on his own was denying women the right to choose whether or not to have his baby.

She could not be swayed to believe that preventing conception in the first place did not deny her right to have an abortion.

So men, according to that one 'expert', every time you use a condom when having sex with a woman, you are denying her right to abort the baby you might otherwise cause her to conceive!

God forbid that you should ever have a vasectomy, or else you are directly responsible for objectifying women under the oppression of the Patriarchy!

(I know ... Messed-up thinking, right? But that's extreme feminism for you!)

I think you meant this to be cute and funny but... it was sort of not?
:/
... I did go on to express what I meant in another way, because that was how I could and I didn't want Fnord to feel I was being mean (because that wasn't my intention). I was hoping that was a successful attempt.

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[Probably a discussion for another time: there seems to be some kind of keypass where certain people are allowed to have difficulty expressing ideas and that's ok because that's the nature of communication. When these people try to express however is easiest for them it's fine because that's "just how they express themselves" and everyone else kind of sucks for now simply accepting that. Particularly given that this is a board for those on the spectrum, where communication is a key difficulty, shouldn't we not be assuming that said communication "isn't so hard", even if it has appeared to be easy at other times? shouldn't be so hard should it?]
Anyway. Carry on.