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07 Jan 2009, 2:26 am

A guy took a girl who has Asperger Syndrome out to a movie and dinner. Then he took her to see his friends.

The Problem?

The friend's wife is an insurance agent. He sugessted to his date that she sign an insurance policy. This behavior was strange. He was hurt that she didn't do this, and she didn't go out with him again.

Some questions.

What kind of date was this?

Was she wrong to feel violated that he did this?

Why did it happen to her? Was Asperger Syndrome the reason? What did she do wrong?

I had never heard of this kind of behavior directed at Someone else (NT's).



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07 Jan 2009, 2:41 am

I don't know if it was necessarily directed at people with AS. It does kind of sound like a scam... a new one on me... like... make a date with someone you think is gullible so we can sell them this insurance contract and we'll give you a kick-back. I think she was right to be offended -- sounds like he was trying to use her. For that matter, the scam may have even been more elaborate than that and could have been a bigger loss for her than just the money for the insurance.


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07 Jan 2009, 3:39 am

Very weird behaviour on his part She was right to be offended.



07 Jan 2009, 4:05 am

It sounds like a scam so she was smart to not sign it and to stay away from the guy. Maybe he was just using her.


What would have happened if she signed it? I dunno. I wouldn't try it to find out lol.



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07 Jan 2009, 5:13 am

Yeah it's right to be sceptical, but salespeople are often 'on' 24/7, they can't stop trying to sell stuff, so I guess the question is whether your date was complicit in this and if he was 'hurt' that you didn't sign a policy then that seems to indicate duplicity.

People do see us coming though, I sometimes wonder if I have "I'm gullible" tattood on my forehead, but then they always think I'm more gullible than I really am.

You could bring it up with your date but whether he'll tell the truth or not is another thing.

But no, I've never had that happen to me.



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07 Jan 2009, 11:13 am

Who the heck tries to sell insurance on a date?



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07 Jan 2009, 11:23 am

ike wrote:
I don't know if it was necessarily directed at people with AS. It does kind of sound like a scam... a new one on me... like... make a date with someone you think is gullible so we can sell them this insurance contract and we'll give you a kick-back...

It's an old one. People involved in any form of multi-level marketing or evangelical religion do it all the time ... "Let me take you to a little party, where you'll meet lots of nice people...", and it turns out to be some kind of recruitment drive for an MLM that sells cookware, water conditioners, candles, cosmetics, laundry soap, or salvation.

Any time someone invites me to a party, I tell them up front that I hope no one is going to try to sell me something. I also drive myself, so that I'm not "trapped" while waiting for my ride to finish trying to brainwash me.

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Who the heck tries to sell insurance on a date?

Who the heck would use a date as a means to sell insurance? Someone who is more concerned with receiving an easy commission than with forming a trusting relationship.

People use relationships for profit or other personal gain, such as when some cutie flirts with the boss in order to get a raise or promotion.



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07 Jan 2009, 3:19 pm

Fnord wrote:
People use relationships for profit or other personal gain, such as when some cutie flirts with the boss in order to get a raise or promotion.


And yet we also say that prostitution is illegal and immoral. :roll: Sex for profit in any form - from marriage to out-right business transaction - is still sex for profit.



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07 Jan 2009, 3:24 pm

release_the_bats wrote:
Fnord wrote:
People use relationships for profit or other personal gain, such as when some cutie flirts with the boss in order to get a raise or promotion.

And yet we also say that prostitution is illegal and immoral. :roll: Sex for profit in any form - from marriage to out-right business transaction - is still sex for profit.

Flirtation is not sex, but I agree with your point. Sex for profit is, at least, a straightforward transaction, while exploiting a relationship (or the desire for one) for profit or personal gain is socially heinous, imho.



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07 Jan 2009, 4:50 pm

Fnord wrote:
release_the_bats wrote:
Fnord wrote:
People use relationships for profit or other personal gain, such as when some cutie flirts with the boss in order to get a raise or promotion.

And yet we also say that prostitution is illegal and immoral. :roll: Sex for profit in any form - from marriage to out-right business transaction - is still sex for profit.

Flirtation is not sex, but I agree with your point. Sex for profit is, at least, a straightforward transaction, while exploiting a relationship (or the desire for one) for profit or personal gain is socially heinous, imho.


I was referring to the use of relationships for material gain. I don't see how marrying someone for their money or dating someone so they'll spend money on you is different from what we call prostitution (and generally consider immoral and illegal). I think it's ridiculous that people are often encouraged to do things like marrying for wealth, while the same thing is illegal when presented as a simple, straight-forward business transaction. I'm not taking a position on the morality of the issue - just pointing out a discrepancy.

Flirtation is a different story. I did not mean to imply that I was equating something that is not sexual to prostitution. People of both sexes certainly use flirtation for manipulative, selfish purposes, but I see this as part of a larger pattern of people attempting to control and manipulate one another in various ways. Not sex for profit.



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07 Jan 2009, 11:39 pm

Fnord wrote:
ike wrote:
I don't know if it was necessarily directed at people with AS. It does kind of sound like a scam... a new one on me... like... make a date with someone you think is gullible so we can sell them this insurance contract and we'll give you a kick-back...

It's an old one. People involved in any form of multi-level marketing or evangelical religion do it all the time ... "Let me take you to a little party, where you'll meet lots of nice people...", and it turns out to be some kind of recruitment drive for an MLM that sells cookware, water conditioners, candles, cosmetics, laundry soap, or salvation.


The key difference here for me (and the reason why I said it was a new one on me) is that there didn't seem to be any MLM or "downline" going on here... Selling an MLM to a date would have been much less surprising to me, but this to me is like trying to sell the person a leaf blower or a George Foreman Grill... and that's a different game because there's no (perceived) ongoing profit relationship once the person has bought into it. MLMs work that way because that's their business model and they're structured to encourage it being a long-term deal where the person who buys into it orders all kinds of stuff for their own day-to-day living through the business ... but I don't understand how they would see the return-on-investment in the scam if it's just a one-time deal for an insurance policy that the person's unlikely to renew. Makes me wonder that there wasn't some other more complicated scam going on.


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