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08 Mar 2006, 4:32 pm

I added the below comment to an obviously dead thread on this board by mindofchaos.. I was actually wondering how people would interpret or react to my perception of this complex subject.. though this obviously isn't my exclusive opinion, it is the central conclusion I have made in my life. I would be more than open to criticism or comment as long as it doesn't look to negate my perception merely because of my adherence to science or the existing society.. because I can acknowledge something is incongruent doesn't mean I would be so spiteful as to cut off my nose inspite of my face... nor do I hope that anyone would look to marginalize my opinions under these same terms.

This is not meant to be ideological and is opinion based. here is what I wrote days ago to the question "what is the meaning of life?":



I have often got stumped on the meaning of life... in just that, the meaning. What is life?

I have spent a lot of years trying to pretend I knew what life was and all I did was waste a lot of time. If life exists inclusive to consciousness, I would say, life must then be very diverse. but I have no proof that life is conscious, the scientists do.

scientifically, biology is very mechanical chaos because it is always self-regulating. for biology, there is no existential delema, biology only exists the moment that living thing becomes separated from it. In the science lab, the sterile enviroment and the scientist merge together to be objective, and empiracle, and introspective and disective... The first ideas of how the body worked were peiced together at the morge. there have been many studies on life which I have to say wasted a lot of peoples time, in order to even be published or read to the point where the scientist is relevent to their peers and their words become science.. the experiment can't help but leave the lab. Until, the scientist begins to embody how we look at life, life as they know it won't embody conscious. the introspection of modern man is a process of dead-time not lived experiance.

even if life is just biology... anyone who thinks this way, that man is somehow biological, has not considered or dismisses my opinion that consciousness negates life. We just manifest a very complex and socio-scientifically enveloping suicide machine. but what is common to everything biological, though in varying degrees of complexity, is that nature has limited any existence to parameters beneith consciousness in the subconscious. the survival instinct. Any scientist who I have ever discussed this with understandably became very defensive. So, I doubt such an idea as this will make it into the science journals or win a nobel prize, or in anyway be representative of our societal views...

To be conscious of life is to be unconscious of nature, and to be unconscious of life is to live. but the only evidence of this is the experiment and the nature which has kept us surviving, though in recent times our survival has persued dying of boredom.

So, in my opinion, to be conscious of life is to actively persue your death with many many options. The scientific monopoly on the consciousness of life has always narrowed our persuit, though seemingly beneficial, it is constantly redefined and reapplied to maintain their consciousness. the empiracle structure which has made scientists of every kind control what we know of life.

science gained real momentum after the industrialization of the world it attempted to be the source of life. To narrow the society into survival based roles, into being both unconscious of nature and unconscious of life, but always always searching and advancing on a meaning which, though seemingly universal, (play/educate yourself/work/marry/have kids/make friends/travel/retire) rarely is.

The only time most people got to play was previous to almost the majority of their memories, and to me, this must be seen as the source of consciousness and where science pulls us in... that which pulled us away from play, the very universal meaning to this life we all so actively persue, is the consciousness which would physically suppress the human mind to combat the chaos which regulates life.

This process of social-scientific evolution reduces the chances of a question like you just asked ever getting an answer with something similar to the one I just gave..

Aspergers is a biological development of social detachment. It creates a lot of stress and conflict in the conventional life. In some ways this makes me feel that it might just be a part of the chaotic self-regulation... Though, the problem is created where being conscious of A.S. leaves you very very vulnerable to the scientist.

I have more and more confidence everyday that people with A.S. have the unique urge to play and to ask questions. If we do continue to follow along we will consciously attempt to fit in and that uniqueness will be eliminated.. and isn't to say I believe this is only unique to A.S.. or that a lot of you haven't swallowed handfuls of science by now... I just think the person with A.S. is a target.



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08 Mar 2006, 7:24 pm

I find your views on the meaning of life very interesting. I am a graduate in biology and I must say you've given it an interesting spin! I want to be a scientist but will make a rubbish scientist as I'm too open minded and allow for others opinions which hardcore scientists can't do as they have theories.

I also feel that a person with AS is a target as AS itself is something that I don't think many people fully understand. To most people they hear the words 'Asperger's Syndrome' or 'autism' and automatically think of a certain type of person (and even then they may not have an accurate picture) rather than certain types of people, we are all categorised into one person. Although AS is associated with certain behavioural patterns and social difficulties, it differs greatly from person to person, it like no one on this site is going to be exactly like me just because we all have AS, some maybe similar to me but hey sometimes we are similar to others. We are all unique, but its just that sometimes others (I say others as I don't like to call those without AS NT's as I feel it merely serves to creat a bigger division between us and them if you like) don't know what makes our minds 'tick' if you like. I think that all the vast majority of us wants is acceptance by society and not feel like we have to change, hence some of us are inclined to 'play' and ask questions. I don't see why an individual with AS must change or conform to the norm in most cases as its not as if our thought processes or actions are harmful, we are actually a nice bunch of people that are misunderstood. I feel that society itself is actually very rigid and stops people from 'playing'. I think if society were a bit more relaxed and less rigid, people with AS may find leading a 'conventional' life less stressful. Its social ignorance from the vast majority that forces us to change who we are to fit in and why should we? Maybe some changes are beneficial, I don't know, I have AS but mildly, as in its part of me, it doesnt rule me. I can honestly say that I don't know what it is like to have your life dominated by AS and neither does anyone else that doesnt experience it so why should they dictate how you should behave unless you actually want to change for yourself? I'm off on a rant again, apologies people. If people disagree with this then fair enough.



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08 Mar 2006, 8:32 pm

The meaning of life.... hmm.... I would say that life has no meaning other than the attempt to gain power and accomplish goals. The acquisition of power means that goal accomplishment becomes more likely. Science offers a path to this goal. Science creates great power as it revolutionizes society and creates progress and reduces costs for the things that people want.

Living is in opposition to dying, one who lives wants to live and opposes their own death. Humanity tries to win by taking risks that seem reasonable to the forces that currently govern them(emotions are more irrational than logic). In the end we seek our best interests even if those go counter to our lives at some points.