CockneyRebel
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07 Mar 2010, 11:05 pm
Blindspot149
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07 Mar 2010, 11:24 pm
pensieve wrote:
That doesn't overanalyze every possible thing?
Or not think every non-autistic is the enemy?
Who doesn't write complete essays on the act of socialization? It does nothing for me. I try to be social. In some ways I can, in other ways I can't. The 50 billion pages I've read on this forum about it are exhausting.
I at times find this forum frustrating. The way people go on and on about something. Just let it go. Enjoy your lives.
Or not think every non-autistic is the enemy?
Who doesn't write complete essays on the act of socialization? It does nothing for me. I try to be social. In some ways I can, in other ways I can't. The 50 billion pages I've read on this forum about it are exhausting.
I at times find this forum frustrating. The way people go on and on about something. Just let it go. Enjoy your lives.
Hello Pensieve, it's nice to be on the same thread as you again.
I actually just posted a response that covered some of these points in the 'What do you dislike about NTz' thread.
I don't overanalyse EVERYTHING but I do overanalyze most things
I certainly don't see NTz as the enemy; I see prejudice and intollerance (among other things as the enemy)
I do include comments about my difficulty with socializing here on WP and you are quite correct that..............there is probably not much left to say on that subject and few new ways of describing it.
Thanks for pointing this last point out in particular.
08 Mar 2010, 8:33 am
08 Mar 2010, 11:26 am
hartzofspace
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08 Mar 2010, 7:07 pm
Inventor wrote:
Yes, the demands for the world to change, one sided thinking, and just plain rudeness.
I like the other voices, parents, siblings, spouses, who have long lived with the behaviors in question.
The politics of disability and entitlement do have a place on WP. But there are other worlds, many of us live and work there, so the interaction between myself and the rest of the world is more important to me.
I agree that the world has no idea about ASDs, only deal with what they can see, wheelchairs, and the best that can be expected is to be treated like everyone else.
Telling the very close part of the world that does have a knowledge of a range of ASDs who is reporting the truth from the best point of observation, that their voice is not welcome here, is a fine example of disability thinking.
The Politics of Disability should post a thread about what topics are forbidden.
Until then I will go with Alex's version.
I have had the same, "I am going to call the mods and have you banned!" Over my support of fund raising for scientific research, just because Autism Speaks was involved.
I was fantastically flamed over my views of the causes of the rise of Mesolithic Technology.
In all cases, the attacks I have seen were directed at one post, and added nothing to the range of thought on the subject at hand. It has done more damage to the Politics of Disability than anything else.
Most of us live in the world, deal with it, and any insight into how we are seen, how we cause some responses, and the overall meaning, you were just being treated like anyone else, is of high value to me.
The DSM True Believers can quote the book of their new faith, but that does not shed light on how to get through today.
The Politics of Neurodiversity demands conformity? They demand the Freedom to Censor speach and thought. They fight tolerance with intolerance.
I have found ASDs to be helpful in understanding my Neurology. I like reading about the life of others, and those closest to them. I do have a lot in common with a very diverse group, no two alike.
The Politics of Disability I find to be a Personality Type, it is not ASD, it is Neurodiverse. They do nothing but tell everyone who they have to hate, and what they will not be allowed to say or even think. Their bitter and venomus attacks, harsh demands, threats, call for the whole world to conform to their views, which they seem unable to express.
WP is a support site, information site, and serves a broad community of people. All input from ASDs, a broader community, for those Dxs do change, and their parents, siblings, spouses should flow freely, and without obstruction.
The greatest value of WP to me is, people speak the truth from their hearts, and we of course all disagree, yet through continuing, come to see the range of thought around any subject. My mind does not get changed, it gets broadened.
The Politics of Disability seem a single issue, their Rights to Entitlements, and any other view will be attacked. This narrowing of all views to support some imaginary right is moving in the other direction. The Disability Millitia defines it's self in the same way the Heavy Metals Mafia does.
WP is made up of, a lot of NTs, parents, spouses, siblings, Psych Majors we should be charging admission, "Alex, Funding Idea!" Broader Autism Phenotype, AKA, Geeks and Nerds, Weird People, Half Aspies who almost passed the test, Aspies who may or may not qualify as disabled, HFA who also go way up or down, and the folks who the DSM was written about.
Moving outward from the DSM defined, a small minority, the numbers grow to include a fifth of the population. Broader Autism Phenotype is 10%, and they do have parents, siblings, and maybe spouses, if they would get out of the house more.
The community served includes Parents Discussion, where NTs trade tips on getting children to eat, bathe, change clothes, not sleep in clothes, and other NT sports. In the best of times "Raising Children," has the meaning of taming wild animals.
For most here developing emotional marurity is a goal, or at least learning to become good liers.
Things that most children learn at nine, we can learn, if told bluntly, after thirty. We need these recycled parents, my brother who will clue me, and we need to hear it often, because of Lego, books, video games, Wiki, kind of blots that stuff out.
The lines of what works are vauge, but for a parent, facing an unknown future, a child's mind they cannot know, this is a window into that world. Since we are more like cats, we have staff, this is a chance to train staff for all the up and coming ASDs.
WP is a support site, and the majority are NTs. Most are lurkers. A few do come out and play and we must do something about the bullies. We are also aware of the amount of bandwidth directed to the Psychology Buildings of Universities, who are running up the costs of supporting Wrong Planet by stealing from us. You don't all have to donate, but your University could.
Support Wrong Planet, it is the only place where NTs can learn how strange they really are!
I like the other voices, parents, siblings, spouses, who have long lived with the behaviors in question.
The politics of disability and entitlement do have a place on WP. But there are other worlds, many of us live and work there, so the interaction between myself and the rest of the world is more important to me.
I agree that the world has no idea about ASDs, only deal with what they can see, wheelchairs, and the best that can be expected is to be treated like everyone else.
Telling the very close part of the world that does have a knowledge of a range of ASDs who is reporting the truth from the best point of observation, that their voice is not welcome here, is a fine example of disability thinking.
The Politics of Disability should post a thread about what topics are forbidden.
Until then I will go with Alex's version.
I have had the same, "I am going to call the mods and have you banned!" Over my support of fund raising for scientific research, just because Autism Speaks was involved.
I was fantastically flamed over my views of the causes of the rise of Mesolithic Technology.
In all cases, the attacks I have seen were directed at one post, and added nothing to the range of thought on the subject at hand. It has done more damage to the Politics of Disability than anything else.
Most of us live in the world, deal with it, and any insight into how we are seen, how we cause some responses, and the overall meaning, you were just being treated like anyone else, is of high value to me.
The DSM True Believers can quote the book of their new faith, but that does not shed light on how to get through today.
The Politics of Neurodiversity demands conformity? They demand the Freedom to Censor speach and thought. They fight tolerance with intolerance.
I have found ASDs to be helpful in understanding my Neurology. I like reading about the life of others, and those closest to them. I do have a lot in common with a very diverse group, no two alike.
The Politics of Disability I find to be a Personality Type, it is not ASD, it is Neurodiverse. They do nothing but tell everyone who they have to hate, and what they will not be allowed to say or even think. Their bitter and venomus attacks, harsh demands, threats, call for the whole world to conform to their views, which they seem unable to express.
WP is a support site, information site, and serves a broad community of people. All input from ASDs, a broader community, for those Dxs do change, and their parents, siblings, spouses should flow freely, and without obstruction.
The greatest value of WP to me is, people speak the truth from their hearts, and we of course all disagree, yet through continuing, come to see the range of thought around any subject. My mind does not get changed, it gets broadened.
The Politics of Disability seem a single issue, their Rights to Entitlements, and any other view will be attacked. This narrowing of all views to support some imaginary right is moving in the other direction. The Disability Millitia defines it's self in the same way the Heavy Metals Mafia does.
WP is made up of, a lot of NTs, parents, spouses, siblings, Psych Majors we should be charging admission, "Alex, Funding Idea!" Broader Autism Phenotype, AKA, Geeks and Nerds, Weird People, Half Aspies who almost passed the test, Aspies who may or may not qualify as disabled, HFA who also go way up or down, and the folks who the DSM was written about.
Moving outward from the DSM defined, a small minority, the numbers grow to include a fifth of the population. Broader Autism Phenotype is 10%, and they do have parents, siblings, and maybe spouses, if they would get out of the house more.
The community served includes Parents Discussion, where NTs trade tips on getting children to eat, bathe, change clothes, not sleep in clothes, and other NT sports. In the best of times "Raising Children," has the meaning of taming wild animals.
For most here developing emotional marurity is a goal, or at least learning to become good liers.
Things that most children learn at nine, we can learn, if told bluntly, after thirty. We need these recycled parents, my brother who will clue me, and we need to hear it often, because of Lego, books, video games, Wiki, kind of blots that stuff out.
The lines of what works are vauge, but for a parent, facing an unknown future, a child's mind they cannot know, this is a window into that world. Since we are more like cats, we have staff, this is a chance to train staff for all the up and coming ASDs.
WP is a support site, and the majority are NTs. Most are lurkers. A few do come out and play and we must do something about the bullies. We are also aware of the amount of bandwidth directed to the Psychology Buildings of Universities, who are running up the costs of supporting Wrong Planet by stealing from us. You don't all have to donate, but your University could.
Support Wrong Planet, it is the only place where NTs can learn how strange they really are!
08 Mar 2010, 10:58 pm
I am not smart enough to read or understand Invetor's post. 
09 Mar 2010, 12:43 am
09 Mar 2010, 1:02 am
09 Mar 2010, 1:13 am
09 Mar 2010, 11:42 pm
I have only come back in here to clear one thing up.
I DID NOT EDIT MY POSTS TO CHANGE THE MESSAGE, OR INFLECTION OR WHAT I WAS SAYING.
My messages as they appear now convey THE EXACT same thing as before they were edited.
The only thing I edited was spelling and a missed or wrong word here and there.
I'm sure MsT knows this and using the fact that my posts have been editied to pretend my pre-edited post ceonveyed derogatory messages. WHICH THEY DID NOT - Anyone who saw my posts pre-editing can attest to this fact.
The messages are THE SAME.
I would also like to add that MsT seems to be the only person who has said anything in opposition to my posts. And I have also reciecved 2 messages privately APLOGISING on her behalf and saying they are thankful for my posts.
Like I said MsT, it's you, not me. 
10 Mar 2010, 12:56 am
10 Mar 2010, 11:35 am
