Neurotype hate

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i have not read the other responses.

i just say this. i do not separate neurotypical acceptance from autistic acceptance.
they are the same.

they are both people, and people are not good in general.

people pick with their minds what they love and hate.
people are generally selfish, and i am selfish, but they are selfish in a different way to me.

most people feel that they can roll over and extinguish the lives of who they feel are lesser than them.

like cockroaches for example.

they will extinguish the life of a cockroach because they believe a cockroach has not as much right to live as they do.

they think that they are more important than cockroaches, and since they do not like cockroaches, they believe it is ok that they remove the cockroaches life.

they do so without any conscience whatsoever.

i do not like cockroaches either. they frighten me. they are dirty and black and i am compelled by my instinct to want to remove their lives if i see one in my place.

a few nights ago (this will sound insane but i do not care) i saw a big black cockroach crawling on my floor, and i immediately went and got the spray and sprayed him with it.

i squirted him with the poison and he went from being a happy exploring cockroach to being a jumping agonized cockroach.

he was flipping over and over and acting crazy after i shot him with the spray, and i immediately felt a sense of deep guilt.

how could i bestow on what i determined (after thinking about it) to be an innnocent life such agony?

i thought "shall i step on him and finish his life or shall i put him outside and he may recover?"

i became very worried that i had inflicted on another life a sense of agony, so i picked him up with tweezers and i washed him thoroughly under the tap.

then i took him outside and i put him on the ground, and he was kicking in an almost fatal death throw, and i felt very bad about it,

i thought "all he did was come inside to look for food and that is not a mortal sin, so my punishment of him is a suffering that i am inflicting on another innocent life for a very cheap and invalid reason".


i wanted him to recover and continue to live his life, and i wanted him to remember never to come back to my place,
i just wanted him to live his whole life through and leave me alone.

he recovered eventually and he was gone from my porch when i checked a few hours later.


now the crux of the story is this....

everyone i have ever known would have not thought twice about the life of that cockroach being in any way valuable, and they would have squashed it and killed it without a second thought.


i value life no matter in what form it comes, and if i was stranded on a dead planet like mars for years, and i then saw a cockroach, it would become immediately my best friend.


i do not think almost any human beings whether they are autistic or not would see life the way i do

if i meet someone who sees life the way i do then i will be immediately in love.

that is how i am selfish


my powerpack is now drained and i have to dock for 10 hours.

Last edited by b9 on 25 Dec 2010, 10:03 am, edited 3 times in total.

Yeah. But using the word blue to refer to red is silly.

I think its ironic that autistic people tend to be very detail oriented by over-generalize about stuff like NT's

When Neurotypicals aren't belittling those who are different, you will be seeing them battle each other for dominance.

Neurotypicals destroy the weak, then they destroy their own kind for supremacy in the ego wars they wage daily over things like consumerism, looks and money etc.

Many of them are into the world. Not all of them, but many of them.

Outgroup homogeneity bias?

BTW when did neurotype start meaning neurotypical? I've only ever seen it before as a shorthand for "neurological type" and this is confusing me.

Snicker. Ironic indeed.

NT is a tight categorization when used as originally intended - simply meaning "not autistic" (a xor ~a in logical form). But as soon as the idea of "typical neurology" is made the core meaning instead of "not autistic" then autism becomes only a subset of a larger population that includes all other atypical neurological configurations. Enter the neuro-diversity rubrik and autism is yet again shunted to the periphery of a larger conversation.

The problem is with the term neurotypical itself. It is actually such a great word precisely because it is so evocative of normalcy. But it paradoxically invalidates itself as a useful word because no one is actually normal.

The categories of "autistic" and "not autistic" are important, not because of some socially imposed sense of normalcy (autism bad, normal good), but because the autistic person must adapt to a world that is often at odds with their intrinsic differences in perception and processing.

I suppose that the appropriation of the word neurotypical is fait acompli. It has been diluted to mean "any thing other than normal neurology". I would appear we need a new term that cannot so easily commandeered by interests.

How about "Nautistic" - a conjoining of "not" and "autistic"? I'm not serious, but I haven't got anything better. This would be useful because then we can be haters of anyone Nautistic and actually be referring to people that exist rather than being haters of NTs and referring to the elusive mythical normal person. (sarcasm, in case you didn't catch it)

Last edited by wavefreak58 on 25 Dec 2010, 12:57 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Wiser words have rarely been spoken.

Some would say they have good reason to dislike and distrust NTs because they have been discriminated against and treated badly by them for most of their lives. Many ethnic minorities could justifiably say the same. We are all biased by our personal experience, whether we're autistic or AS or NT or any other human. Many of us on this board were bullied as children by the people we now call NTs. Many of us can't get or hold a good job because people with lesser qualifications or skills are hired because it's harder to have to deal with someone that's "different". Many have to live on meager disability allowances while being looked down upon as worthless, lazy bums who are a terrible burden to society. Those who are thriving are probably expending tremendous energy to do so, and this effort will likely go unrecognized as such.

Some of it is, no doubt, well over the line. Generalizations about "all NTs" are no better than generalizations about "all autistics" or "all blacks" or "all Jewish" or whatever other group. I personally don't hold any individual person responsible for the problems in my life, and I hold no ill will toward any single person. Nevertheless, in many ways I do hate the society that I live in, because I feel it doesn't want to accept me as I am and attempts to force me to be something I'm not. I hate the irrationality, the pointless wasted time talking about nothing, the emphasis on who you know instead of what you know, how people can succeed with nothing other than the ability to sound charming, the conformity, the mindless herd mentality, and on and on. This was true long before I had a name to call them (NTs) or I had a name to differentiate myself (Aspergers). Indeed, it would still be true if I never named them. Put any man, woman, or child in front of me, and I can say honestly that I have no hate for any of them. Yet, I dislike NT society to the point I have no desire to ever identify myself with it in any form, be it national, cultural, religious, or otherwise. I treat others as individuals when I interact with them, because this is how I would prefer others treat me. I simply do not participate in the social groups that are so important to NT society. My rule is that if you want to interact with me on anything beyond a formal level, you must do it as yourself, alone, not necessarily physically, but alone in your own mind, because I have no interest in anything else. Many people are open-minded enough to do this. Some are not, and I reserve my right not to waste any of my life on satisfying them.

At the end of it, NTs are just different from us. I can't say they're inferior or superior to us. I have neither the authority nor the wisdom to issue such judgment. What I can say is that there are a lot more of them than there are of us, and that the society we live in was built mostly by them and suits their needs and talents best. Those who are different are at a disadvantage, not by any conscious malevolence of the "normal", but rather by the reality that all men are not created equal, and will survive and thrive to different extents in different circumstances. It is more difficult for us to succeed in a world built by, and for, people whose brains work completely differently. This is not a statement of hate, but of fact, based on my own life and observations of the world.

Wavefreak58

You could just literally say, "not autistic", to refer to people who are not autistic.

"Autistic" was first defined as a disorder from what would be considered "normal" development or which causes distress/disabilty in some way.

Of course, "not autistic", would not exactly be saying "normal". What else would you say for "normal" (if one doesn't want to say that, I guess). Normality would be within the range of the mean distribution of the bell curve, I guess, "neurotypical".

The outliers would then be "atypical neurology" which would include more than just the autism spectrum. Maybe there could be a word for those with "atypical neurology" who are also significantly marginalized or suffer because of the way society is structured or, the culture, which I think, politically, might make more sense. I see people say on this board that this is a society made and built for "NT's".

lol

Yes, that's the term I was looking for.




I think it's a backformation based on similar words:
If you are stereotypical, you are a stereotype
Therefore
If you are neurotypical, you are a neurotype
Seems to be the logic behind it.

I don't hate neurotypicals, I just know I'm wired very differently from them. What I hate is the general lack of education about the autism spectrum in our society. I don't expect a neurotypical person to understand what we go through per se (since a person can't really know what it's like if they haven't experienced it), but if they're willing to at least learn about it and not have the "they should just get over it" attitude, I'll gladly respect them.

A lot of them are more likely to listen to Jenny McCarthy, than to the successful people who are on the spectrum.

I am conscious that NTs have issues too and all have different personalities. One of my best friends was NT, but she was not the type who is either bully or witness to bullying and not doing/saying anything (this is probably the most common "type") or even enjoying the bullying, she was the type who cares about injustice etc, and who would always stand up when needed, but it was very easy for her to socialize, she knew the rules, but also had the courage to break them when necessary (which is much less common then the "witness" type). A lot of things in life are ruled by NT rules (or at least it sure seems that way to me), so that's why sometimes I talk about NT rules, or NT "game", and because I just don't fit very well in that NT "game". Because of that tho (not being good at NT rules) I do tend to think of NTs as a group in some ways.

About being "out to get us", it does happen, even at work, and happened to me a few times and there is no question about it, it is a fact (I could give you all the details but mainly I mean I am 100% certain it wasn't "just in my head"). But no they are not All out to get us, only some of them are, and the rest of them (except very few of them) don't want to stand against them, for different reasons.

I think I have a similar attitude towards living things, b9. Ever since I was a small child, I've always captured and released any insects or spiders found inside my house, and I also rescue them from my workplace, supermarkets (I found a beautiful green leafhopper in the vegie section of Coles recently and kept it in a plastic bag until I could release it safely in a garden next to the carpark), swimming pools, etc. I'll even pick up worms and snails from footpaths and move them to somewhere safer so that they won't be trodden on. I realise that this probably makes me look a bit eccentric at times.

My husband and teenage children often do the same thing, although my kids are nervous of spiders and always call me to catch them. I caught a lovely ginger-coloured huntsman just inside our front door last night, actually.

I do confess to slapping and killing mosquitoes and March flies while they're biting me, but that's as much about reflex as anything else- I don't feel any particular animosity towards them.

It might be best not to fall in love with us all, though- we're a fairly annoying family, on the whole. Jenny