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25 Dec 2010, 10:46 pm

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Why do people treat Neurotypes like they're one collective group with the same thoughts, opinions etc and act as if they're all out to get us?


It has to do with group dynamics, very basic human behaviour - even biological (link).
US and THEM, that is what it is all about - the rest is clouded by the oxytocin and other hormones.

Give a cheer for our inherent behaviour :monkey: :lol:!

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26 Dec 2010, 3:07 am

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A lot of them are more likely to listen to Jenny McCarthy, than to the successful people who are on the spectrum.


They flock to Jenny McCarthy like she knows what she is talking about. This is the same woman who was in that film by the guys who do south park where she sucked the chrome off a trailer hitch and had silver around her lips. :roll: In another film she stared in a film called Dirty Love where was she tripping hard on XTC and ended up on a date with a guy with a fish up his butt. :roll: This some kind of warrior mother out to defend autistic people? I weep for the autistic if it is.


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26 Dec 2010, 3:43 am

Most NTs don't give a s**t about ASDs unless they're directly affected by it. Most of them don't realize they are offensive towards us.



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26 Dec 2010, 7:44 am

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Most NTs don't give a sh** about ASDs.


Then again, I don't give a sh*t about most NTs. I just do what I have to do. I have no sleepless nights about walking all over them to get what I need in order to survive. If NTs don't like my successes, then its tough tit.



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26 Dec 2010, 9:42 am

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There are many words in the english language that have multiple meanings. Any word or 'term' is truly defined in how it is used in each individual case.


Yeah. But using the word blue to refer to red is silly.


I must be skimming the forum too quickly, as I've never seen the term NT used in such a far-fetched manner as you suggest.



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26 Dec 2010, 10:51 am

Geist wrote:
wavefreak58 wrote:
Geist wrote:
There are many words in the english language that have multiple meanings. Any word or 'term' is truly defined in how it is used in each individual case.


Yeah. But using the word blue to refer to red is silly.


I must be skimming the forum too quickly, as I've never seen the term NT used in such a far-fetched manner as you suggest.


Facetiousness at work.

The point is that even though words evolve in meaning, that evolution must have some grounding in reality. The term neuro-typical has evolved from meaning "not autistic" to "normal neurology". No one has a normal neurology. This has rendered the concept of NT mostly impotent. May as well call red blue. It communicates nothing just well as the term "NT".


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26 Dec 2010, 11:16 am

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if i meet someone who sees life the way i do then i will be immediately in love.

I do confess to slapping and killing mosquitoes and March flies while they're biting me, but that's as much about reflex as anything else- I don't feel any particular animosity towards them.
i also will kill fleas and mosquitoes if they land on me. i see it as that they took the chance to suck my blood and i am defending my blood with complete justification.

anything that wants to eat me i have no qualms about quelling.
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It might be best not to fall in love with us all, though- we're a fairly annoying family, on the whole. :) Jenny



do not worry. i am incapable of true love. i only am capable of core endorsement and i truly think that you are a good person.

i leave it at that .
i do not have the capacity for emotional attachment.

all i think is "people like you are very good as far as my mind is concerned"

no need to worry about the "love" thing i said. i was just using a figure of speech that i adopted without really thinking about it.



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26 Dec 2010, 11:21 am

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No person with autism has ever called me a ret*d or has mocked me for being different.

I have been mocked by persons with autism for being different as well as by neurotypicals, I guess a lot depends on one's life experiences.


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26 Dec 2010, 1:15 pm

Ariela wrote:
Why do people treat Neurotypes like they're one collective group with the same thoughts, opinions etc and act as if they're all out to get us?



Speaking for myself, I've been made fun of, talked about, insulted, and physically abused and attacked for a large portion of my life. I instinctively hate them because of past grievances I can not move on past -- seriously, some days I wish for Armageddon and the end of society as we know, for nothing more than paybacks. I know its petty, but its also true. Even a dog can only be kicked in the ribs so many times before it starts flashing and baring its teeth at every foot that walks by...



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26 Dec 2010, 2:12 pm

I usually group people in my physical environment by their emotional state of which only 2 interest me: Happy and not happy. I don't understand why people don't take hold of that, themselves. Instead of leaving it hanging "out there", twisting in the social wind.

When it comes to discussion, I tend to group people by intellect ALTHOUGH, I have heard some pretty amazing things coming from happy people who don't seem to have much going on in the intelligence department. So I'm not married to that.



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26 Dec 2010, 5:42 pm

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Facetiousness at work.

The point is that even though words evolve in meaning, that evolution must have some grounding in reality. The term neuro-typical has evolved from meaning "not autistic" to "normal neurology". No one has a normal neurology. This has rendered the concept of NT mostly impotent. May as well call red blue. It communicates nothing just well as the term "NT".




Just on the face value of the word "neurotypical"~
something is "typical", that something is "neuro", which would be the neurology. Typical Neurology.

If there is no such thing as "normal" neurology then to use the word "neurotypical" seems silly to begin with.

Just by looking at the face value of the word it would then bring up the question of what are you saying ASD's have?, "atypical neurology". Atypical from what? Yet there is no such thing as normal neurology?

Saying the word "neurotypical", simply meant "not autistic", seems like a very silly word to come up with for such a definition.

It seems more likely this word is a way to say "normal" without the obvious antonym of "abnormal".



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26 Dec 2010, 6:11 pm

Most NTs are ignorant.



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26 Dec 2010, 7:17 pm

NT is as much a label as ASD.

What gets my goat is people with a dominant Parent Ego State: the kind that treat prejudice and judgement as evidence, who are always in the right and always know best, etc. These people deep down are afraid and severely insecure and use the Parent Ego as a defensive mechanism. I find them very difficult to deal with and best avoided. I say people because I have encountered it in ASD people as well as NT people.

NT's are highly varied with differing mental states, issues, upbringings and rationalities. Like ASD people. That is part of the variety of the Human Condition. It is also an expression of life itself, which seeks variety to guard against fatal flaws that lead to extinction.


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27 Dec 2010, 7:43 am

chtucker18 wrote:
Most NTs are ignorant.


Absolutely! :D



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27 Dec 2010, 7:55 am

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do not worry. i am incapable of true love. i only am capable of core endorsement and i truly think that you are a good person.

i leave it at that .
i do not have the capacity for emotional attachment.

all i think is "people like you are very good as far as my mind is concerned"

no need to worry about the "love" thing i said. i was just using a figure of speech that i adopted without really thinking about it.


I didn't really worry about you falling in love with my family. It would be very unlikely because A. You've never met us and B. You probably WOULD find us annoying. :)

And thank you for the kind words- judging from your posts, you seem to be a very sincere and well-intentioned person, b9.



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27 Dec 2010, 9:29 am

chtucker18 wrote:
Most NTs are ignorant.


Ignorance is far more widespread than just among NTs.


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