Is there any Aspie who wish they are born normal?

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22 Feb 2011, 4:15 am

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Only before I was diagnosed. When I was a teenager, I kept thinking that I was really "normal," but for some reason, most of the others just rejected me. When I found out I had Asperger's Syndrome all along, I had a reason for being who I am and ways to make life easier for me. Thankfully, I am able to go to therapy and get the help I need, so that also makes having Asperger's easier for me.


This is what I've been thinking, knowing or not knowing you have asperger makes a lot of difference. Because I didn't know at first, it was tough living. Not understanding what is really troubling me because even a psychiatrist didn't even know there's such thing as asperger. Until I know that I have asperger, things are coming into place. I start to understand my problem, and able to learn and improve easier because of the understanding.



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22 Feb 2011, 11:17 am

AS is just a disability - how does that not make me a person?

I get irritated when other people on the spectrum say we're aliens instead of people, just because we have a disability. There are hundreds of different diversities that nothing can possibly make someone less human than others. I find it a stereotype. An offensive stereotype. Why should having a disability separate you from the general population?! I even feel sorry for children what are born severely deformed, when people say that they aren't people. That is not fair. It's just as offensive as saying white people aren't people, or black people aren't people. That’s how offensive it is to me, being called an alien just because I have a few learning difficulties.


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22 Feb 2011, 12:21 pm

occasionally i am jealous of normies and interactions they have that will always escape me. but for the most part i enjoy the way i am. pro's outweigh cons and such



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22 Feb 2011, 3:32 pm

I seem to have a strange attitude with social activities. When I think of all my cousins who go out to parties every week-end, I get horribly jealous. But if someone invited me out to a party, I would panic and say no. Then I go back to being jealous again.

I think it's because I wish that I wanted to go out to parties without getting nervous.
It's a funny attitude what goes round and round in circles. But there is more to life than parties. I'd rather just live in a flat, married to a handsome man, both working and earning a wage, and booking romantic holidays together. And meeting up with the few nice friends what I have got. And of course seeing my family at week-ends. That's all I want. Not too much to ask, and it is the average sort of life.


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23 Feb 2011, 12:49 am

Dear Joe90, be fair to yourself. Have the courage to tell your family members, relatives and friends who are close to you - ask them for help. Skip those who won't help, or even likes to tease you. Look for caring and understanding people. But be sure you make yourself willing to try helping yourself first. Why I say like this is because sometimes I was something like this when I was young. Like they tell me to call this man "uncle", or say "thank you" yet I was too stubborn to call him 'uncle' or say "thank you"! -

One reason here was, I need to understand why I should say it, that only if I understand why, then I will say it. - But now I understand the reason is simply this - that it's the polite way of communication that people will like us, if we say such nice and pleasant words. This is something I never thought of when I was young, until my wife taught me. She even taught me the value of a smile. People like those who smile.

When I was young, I did ask my brothers for help, but they didn't help. Reason? They didn't understand I have such a great problem and need. Neither could I figure out how to explain to them my problem because more than 40 years ago, no one knows about asperger. My brothers just tell me I have to go and mix around, that I'll get used to it. But I did try, and it was really tough. Not knowing how to do it. But, if my brothers did try helping me in a way that I can learn, I'm sure it could help. But about 10-15 years ago, my wife did notice something wrong and I was glad she did try helping. Though I didn't improve as much as I wished for, but at least there's some improvement.

As for you, Joe, you already know it's asperger. So do your family members, relatives and friends. So, ask them for guidance. Whatever they try teaching, try practicing. If they teach yet you never try, they may give up on teaching you anything later.



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23 Feb 2011, 1:30 am

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Is there any Aspie who wish they are born normal? -
If only I am born normal, things would surely be more happier and meaningful than I've been experiencing.
I feel being an aspie is like a punishment, not able to do what I wish to be able to do, especially making friends, able to speak like other normal people. I felt like being not acceptable to anyone at all - this really makes me feel low and useless. In fact, I'm already 52, I only knew I have asperger a year ago, so it's like I'm already in hell suffering the years of difficulty not knowing what's really happening in my life, why I was so different.

I'm very sorry to read this. As a nuerotype I can tell you being nuerotypical is not that great. Most nueotypicals I know are very shallow people who like conform rather than think critically for themselves. The good ones out there will understand your nuerodiversity and either try to understand you or at least tolerate your difference.

Those who are intolerant have an opportunity to educate themselves if they really want to. That's what comes from living in a socially inclusive society.



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Those who are intolerant have an opportunity to educate themselves if they really want to. That's what comes from living in a socially inclusive society.


Is there anyone on the planet who lives in a socially inclusive society? Plenty of societies claim to be socially inclusive, but it seems to be the way of most humans to hate and refuse to tolerate anyone who is different. Since societies are made up of humans, inclusion is likely to be beyond any society.

Also, please do not overestimate human intelligence. Many people can't learn. Many others can't be bothered.


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23 Feb 2011, 6:02 am

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As a nuerotype I can tell you being nuerotypical is not that great. Most nueotypicals I know are very shallow people who like conform rather than think critically for themselves. The good ones out there will understand your nuerodiversity and either try to understand you or at least tolerate your difference.

Those who are intolerant have an opportunity to educate themselves if they really want to. That's what comes from living in a socially inclusive society.



The problem is that I don't want to be "just tolerated" by sympathetic NTs.

Prejudice is at most, only half of our social problems.

If by some magic, everyone stopped acting like a**holes, I would still be socially crippled.

Even in acceptance, I lack the "social giving" aspect that is essential for building successful friendships and relationships.

At most I can only expect to be "just tolerated" by the people around me and never be considered worthy of any kind of close relationship that normal people get to experience in their lives.



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23 Feb 2011, 10:04 am

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Dear Joe90, be fair to yourself. Have the courage to tell your family members, relatives and friends who are close to you - ask them for help. Skip those who won't help, or even likes to tease you. Look for caring and understanding people. But be sure you make yourself willing to try helping yourself first. Why I say like this is because sometimes I was something like this when I was young. Like they tell me to call this man "uncle", or say "thank you" yet I was too stubborn to call him 'uncle' or say "thank you"! -

One reason here was, I need to understand why I should say it, that only if I understand why, then I will say it. - But now I understand the reason is simply this - that it's the polite way of communication that people will like us, if we say such nice and pleasant words. This is something I never thought of when I was young, until my wife taught me. She even taught me the value of a smile. People like those who smile.

When I was young, I did ask my brothers for help, but they didn't help. Reason? They didn't understand I have such a great problem and need. Neither could I figure out how to explain to them my problem because more than 40 years ago, no one knows about asperger. My brothers just tell me I have to go and mix around, that I'll get used to it. But I did try, and it was really tough. Not knowing how to do it. But, if my brothers did try helping me in a way that I can learn, I'm sure it could help. But about 10-15 years ago, my wife did notice something wrong and I was glad she did try helping. Though I didn't improve as much as I wished for, but at least there's some improvement.

As for you, Joe, you already know it's asperger. So do your family members, relatives and friends. So, ask them for guidance. Whatever they try teaching, try practicing. If they teach yet you never try, they may give up on teaching you anything later.


I do talk to my close relatives about how I feel and what I should do. All the time. But my mum and my auntie are NTs, but they aren't sociable NTs, and they do understand my difficulties with socialising because they feel the same, and so we all try to help eachother. My mum's lost all trust in outsiders because she's faced a lot of issues in her past with some friends she had, for example friends turning against her for no reason at all. And I'm not sure about my auntie, if she's completely NT because she does show a lot of Aspie traits. Apparently she wasn't mixing properly when she started school, and I was also told she used to rock backwards and forwards right up until she was 15. She's middle-aged now, but is struggling even more with coping with change and socialising. She's being bullied at work (but this bully-type person isn't being nasty to anyone else at her work, only my auntie), and she is afraid of finding a new job because she's getting anxious about her routine changing. Also she can't make friends, and the friends she did have ended up telling her how socially difficult she is, literally.


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23 Feb 2011, 11:34 pm

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Those who are intolerant have an opportunity to educate themselves if they really want to. That's what comes from living in a socially inclusive society.


Is there anyone on the planet who lives in a socially inclusive society? Plenty of societies claim to be socially inclusive, but it seems to be the way of most humans to hate and refuse to tolerate anyone who is different. Since societies are made up of humans, inclusion is likely to be beyond any society.

Also, please do not overestimate human intelligence. Many people can't learn. Many others can't be bothered.

LOL! You must have more faith in humanity, after all your parents are humans. In Australia we went through a period where people with development disorders (based on the terminology of the time) were integrated into the community rather than institutionalized. These state based programs have disappeared since the 1990s due to resourcing issues. My mum used to work with intellectually handicapped youth including low functioning autistic kids. Ironically we used to have the kids home on weekends and I got to know a fair number of autistic kids and enjoyed simple conversations and interactions including hiking and going to the cinema. It's fashionable to talk of nuerodiversity these days but as I got to the kids it became apparent they were more like me than I imagined. It actually annoyed me they were given labels because once we connected the differences seemed irrelevant.

I mentioned earlier the irony of having the kids over because fate would hand me an interesting hand when my daughter was diagnosed with Autism.



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23 Feb 2011, 11:41 pm

Your aunt might be an aspie. Why I say this is as it is said, there seems 4x as many men than women being aspies - reason could be, some of the women are able to camouflage to being NT and not even knowing they are in aspie category. Sad to say, I know one woman just like your aunt, she always complain the secretary, accountant, boss, etc bullying her, skipping to many Co., yet each is same - bullied! But frankly, she's very pretty, so I couldn't figure out why they would bully her, but now I guess I know - it's because she can't socialize well, so somehow, she's being targeted when anything's not done right in the office.

As for getting help, look for other people among your friends or relatives who is willing to guide you. I'm sure one day you can find one who understands you and willing to help. Oh yes, did I tell you to google Neuron Learning? Very interesting, please read it.
http://neuron.typepad.com/neuron/



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26 Feb 2011, 3:43 am

There's a lot I would give to feel comfortable talking to people without a barrier between us, or to be able to continue those conversations for longer than 30 seconds, to be able to not shut down in a group of people, or to enjoy senseless social interaction, to stop feeling lonely no matter who I'm with, to feel a sense of belonging.

There's a whole lot I would give up...



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26 Feb 2011, 12:13 pm

I always say that to myself. I don't want to be like all NTs, but I wish I had some of the essential abilities that most of my NT counterparts have since birth. Such as 1) permanently maintaining friendships (biggest challenge), 2) avoid saying or doing things that may piss others off, and 3) picking up nonverbal cues more quickly.

I can easily socially interact with people, but I think that having these 3 things just mentioned would help me become a better normal man.



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26 Feb 2011, 1:23 pm

I wish I was NT. I feel I don't have a personality because I have Asperger's. It's so textbook and matches me so well, I want to have a personality of my own.


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27 Feb 2011, 12:52 am

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I always say that to myself. I don't want to be like all NTs, but I wish I had some of the essential abilities that most of my NT counterparts have since birth. Such as 1) permanently maintaining friendships (biggest challenge), 2) avoid saying or doing things that may piss others off, and 3) picking up nonverbal cues more quickly.

I can easily socially interact with people, but I think that having these 3 things just mentioned would help me become a better normal man.

Funny because I fail on all three of your criteria and I'm an NT.



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There's a lot I would give to feel comfortable talking to people without a barrier between us, or to be able to continue those conversations for longer than 30 seconds, to be able to not shut down in a group of people, or to enjoy senseless social interaction, to stop feeling lonely no matter who I'm with, to feel a sense of belonging.

There's a whole lot I would give up...


The friends we can find are those who are understanding. I remember one of my schoolmate, who I take as a good friend was because he's really a very understanding guy. When adult, he did his family business and he was doing very well. His business is as a wholesaler, so needs a lot of interaction with the dealers. He's so understanding, he allows me to talk while he listens, even though my grammar was out and I think I stammered to express what I want to say. I am glad to have such a wonderful friend. He seems to know I have a certain problem and he don't seem to mind it. How I wish everyone is like him. Of course to make friends with others is such a struggle.

I've stopped seeing this friend more than 20 years ago because I didn't want to disturb him when he's in business. I mean I didn't want to cause him any kind of trouble at all. Maybe later I will try to see him again.