If Autism is a ''good thing'', why do most have anger?

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07 Nov 2011, 5:13 am

Alexithymia.

My mother keeps trying to convince me that I'm having an emotional shutdown, even though I've been alexithymic my whole life.



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07 Nov 2011, 7:02 am

I have to roll my eyes a little at responses along the lines of, "It's not autism that makes me angry, it's years of social rejection, etc." Why do you think you were rejected in the first place? Because you're a reactionary nutjob.



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07 Nov 2011, 7:13 am

"If Autism is a ''good thing'', why do most have anger?"

Because some people are trying to make the best out of what they have instead of being miserable about it.

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Why do you think you were rejected in the first place?


Didn't know then, still don't know now. All I can think of is because I was quiet and shy growing up.



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07 Nov 2011, 8:12 am

[trigger warning - may be traumatic to read]

I was "angry" as a child. Well, more hateful really, on account of the bullying and constant physical altercations. I was in more than 1k physical fights before I was 18 (not an exaggeration). I have massive PTSD issues leftover from that, as well as scars from the 24 times I was stitched back together afterwards.

Daily beatings are a solid cause to effect a state of anger.

My anger, in the rare occasions it manifests anymore, is a cold and terrible thing. I get very quiet, seething inside. No yelling or lashing out or throwing a tantrum. Scares the crap out of me. It only manifests a few times a year anymore, if even, for which I am grateful.

As I age, it recedes. Having a better ToM and some understanding that other people experience reality differently has given me a rationalized sympathy for other humans (even if I stink at the empathy bit.)

Sometimes I feel like anger is just frustration allowed to ferment.


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07 Nov 2011, 9:44 am

I don't think there's any more anger among Aspies than there is among NTs. Aspie anger tends to be directed at NTs who either patronize, ridicule, or just get in the way of us.

I will agree that there is a lot of anger directed toward NTs (who shall not be named) that talk about us like we're all stupid, or talk about getting rid of Autism (like it's a disease), or make it a their "cause for a cure", without asking us what we think about it: "You've never been one of us, so how can you claim to speak for us?"


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07 Nov 2011, 9:50 am

If people are angry for a good reason then it's fine. Equating anger with not good is dangerous, and doesn't make sense objectively.

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07 Nov 2011, 10:02 am

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It's just who I am, and it gets tiring, frustrating and stressful constantly hearing that I'm the one who needs to change, but at the same time I'm just supposed to accept the world and all of its intolerance the way it is.


Yeh, this is exactly how I feel. I am always expected to change, but NTs can stay as they are, whether it's appropriate or inappropriate (I don't mean in general, I mean more when it comes down to me vs NTs). Whenever I have an argument with a friend, and go and talk about it to someone who knows I'm an Aspie, it will always be me who is the problem and the NT the innocent one, whether the NT was the nasty one in the situation, the advice will always be, ''maybe it was because of your.....'' and that really annoys me and makes me angry with myself. It makes me blame everyone's problems on myself, and when people stare or laugh at me, I put myself down because I'm convinced to think that the NTs are always in the right and the Aspies are always in the wrong, no matter what the circumstances are. It makes me terribly angry with myself.


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07 Nov 2011, 10:43 am

Being different, in this world, is no easy thing. Most people don't appreciate this.



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07 Nov 2011, 10:57 am

Exactly. NTs talk about how everybody has value, how no one should be put down or treated disrespectfully, and how one should give comfort to someone who's hurting...but the unspoken fact is that we are usually the exceptions to all the rules. Sure, sometimes we do inadvertently offend people, but all too often people just treat us poorly because we're "weird" or sometimes, let's face it, for not much good reason at all.

Another thing that pissed me off just recently: someone athletic, social, and just plain lucky saying, "Most of my life people have attacked me because I'm different." I feel bad because I'm quoting someone I know here, I know that he's a good, caring person at heart, and I know it may be true. But I still couldn't help but feel like he has no remote idea of what it's like to be attacked because you're different.



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07 Nov 2011, 11:54 am

Madao wrote:
I think some of that anger could be from frustration of not being able to communicate effectively


I'm sure that this is the most common reason for angression and tantrums for autistic people.
I'm a very calm person but when I was unable to speak for a week (swollen vocal cords) I couldn't stand being around any people at all couse they all missunderstud what I wanted or ment and I couldn't correct them either,
extremly frustrating.



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07 Nov 2011, 12:29 pm

Usually the bottled up anger is a response to several years of bullying.



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07 Nov 2011, 12:29 pm

swbluto wrote:
MrXxx wrote:
Mdyar wrote:
That having more emotion or having less emotion as expressed in "personality" lies in the Meyers brigs introversion extroversion personalities. More Aspies fall into introverted-dom, or saying it more accurately, more people with INTJ, INTP (etc) neurology, also happened to fall into the autistic spectrum -- vs. extroverts that fall into the same autism spectrum. The introverts are over represented in the spectrum.

In essence, reading any more into this is making it sound 'trans-human.'


Sorry. Again. In English please? No buzz words?

Talk to me like I'm an idiot. I won't be offended. I'm just NOT following you, and frankly just not willing to spend the time looking it all up. It is all familiar, yes, but a lot of stuff I haven't talked about or used for quite a while. Don't mean to be a smart-arse, really. I got some of your point previously, but then you lost me. Now it's even more confusing.



Introverts = People who are to themselves and withdrawn
Extroverts = People who are expressive and seek out others (They seem more emotional)

There are more extroverted NTs than extroverted aspies, which gives the "impression" that NTs are "more emotional".

That's basically what he's saying.

However, I think that NTs are genuinely more emotional and it's not just a matter of "introverts are less emotional" that makes aspies less emotional.


Introverts are not less emotional than extroverts. They just don't share their emotions as much in social settings. People with the "artistic temperment" are typically hyper-emotional introverts.



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07 Nov 2011, 12:36 pm

marshall wrote:
Introverts are not less emotional than extroverts. They just don't share their emotions as much in social settings. People with the "artistic temperment" are typically hyper-emotional introverts.


Indeed. In fact, introverts are, if anything, more emotional, because they spend more time on self-reflection rather than talking to people about what the weather is like :roll:



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08 Nov 2011, 1:50 am

I was angry for a few years of my life, due to the way that my parents raised me. They tried to raise the autism out of me. I hated my parents for a long time, because of that. I'm over it now. I was never angry because of the fact that I'm on the spectrum.


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