What rules do nts use about speed limits?

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09 Apr 2012, 2:23 pm

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Now you could chance it, and drive down the inside at 70mph, with one empty lane between you and all the traffic.


Have you tried crawling past & entering back onto the middle lane & then putting your foot down. Rather than blasting past dangerously using the slow lane as a fast lane. Sounds more like you would be breaking the law for speeding in a slow lane. Specially if a undercover cop car enters view & did not see you, before.


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09 Apr 2012, 4:29 pm

As far as I can tell it's "Drive at speed limit when cops are around, drive as fast fast as you can safely when they are not. "


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09 Apr 2012, 4:45 pm

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As far as I can tell it's "Drive at speed limit when cops are around, drive as fast fast as you can safely when they are not. "


I would say something along the lines of "but you don't know when a cop is around" but luckily you can buy things that will let you know when they are near you and then you drive the speed limit.


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09 Apr 2012, 4:58 pm

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As far as I can tell it's "Drive at speed limit when cops are around, drive as fast fast as you can safely when they are not. "


I would say something along the lines of "but you don't know when a cop is around" but luckily you can buy things that will let you know when they are near you and then you drive the speed limit.


Take they chances? Rather than thinking about getting caught. They probably do have those devices & other stuff that does not work. Might just look out for a certain car make, unless the police decide to use a different one. In UK anyway.


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09 Apr 2012, 5:05 pm

I have no idea how anybody else addresses the speed limit. Personally, I glance at the speedometer in the car every few seconds to check my speed is not exceeding the posted limit.

This thread reminds me of something Paul Bloom said: 'Everybody who drives thinks that he, or she, is a wonderful driver...So, some of you might say "Hey, I'm just a great parallel-parker. I'm a great driver", others might say, "I'm very careful: great driver", others might say, "I take chances nobody else will: great driver"'.


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09 Apr 2012, 5:23 pm

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This thread reminds me of something Paul Bloom said: 'Everybody who drives thinks that he, or she, is a wonderful driver...So, some of you might say "Hey, I'm just a great parallel-parker. I'm a great driver", others might say, "I'm very careful: great driver", others might say, "I take chances nobody else will: great driver"'.


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09 Apr 2012, 6:15 pm

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So it's common in the UK to get a ticket for going just 1 mph over the posted limit?

No. The UK traffic guidelines say you'll only be fined for going 10%+2mph above the official speed limit. http://www.ukspeeding.co.uk/SpeedFines.htm
HOWEVER... if you're traveling 80mph in a 70 mph zone you'll be ticketed as travelling 10mph over the limit and not 1mph over 70+7+2mph



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09 Apr 2012, 8:01 pm

When I drive I do my best to never speed.
I grew up in states that had a real drivers ed. Some states I lived in it costs around $100 for 1 MPH over.

One night I was driving the speed limit. At that time the law made it sound like we had to. The woman in front of me was also doing the speed limit. We were not speeding or we would have been charged with murder.
It was dark and two teenagers wearing dark cloths (a very normal thing) were killed. Both me and the woman stated "we were going that fast because we thought we had to.) 10 mph slower and it may have just been a scare to the woman and kids....

Later I was pulled over for doing 10 under... That cop will never do it to anyone again.

Me personally - I have no respect for anyone who speeds, even a little.

Sometimes I feel like I am the last person on Earth to actually know the traffic laws.

Drive at a speed that is safe and not over the posted limits. Having your life ruined is one thing - spending 10 years in prison on top of it and never being able to have a decent job again is real.



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09 Apr 2012, 8:19 pm

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Your writing style leaves something to be desired. Maybe your primary language is not english?
"maybe it's in a rush"..."wants you to get out of they way"


No my second language is not English. Are you referring to my grammar?.


yes, your grammar is very awkward.


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09 Apr 2012, 8:24 pm

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In order not to annoy other drivers, simply obey the "slower traffic keep right" law, which shockingly, some people don't know exists! I get ULTRA-frustrated when somebody is poking along in the left lane of a highway, often right beside a truck or other slow vehicle, and make it so nobody can pass safely. I like to drive as fast as is safe for the vehicle and the conditions, so I might go 25mph over the speed limit on a straight desert highway with miles of visibility in nice weather, etc. Or I'll go at half the speed limit in foul weather, and I will NOT be in the left lane except when necessary to pass slower traffic.


I agree. Thats the way I drive. I can't understand why it's so hard for drivers to adjust their speed for conditions. Most people seem to want to drive their own speed no matter what the conditions, or how many other drivers they inconvenience doing it. Thats why as soon as you get a little rain, snow or ice, cars start crashing all over the place. Rather then just slowing down.

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Why can't people find it in themselves to do this??? It would prevent MOST freeway accidents, according to two police officers I've spoken with about it.

In most states, the "SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT" law is separate and supersedes the the speed limit. This means that if the speed limit is 65 (as it is on most freeways and highways here), and you are going OVER 65 but in the left lane, and someone comes up behind, you MUST pull over and let them by, even if you're both also speeding. That's just common courtesy, and it's the law. Also, if you're on a 1-lane/each direction road, you MUST pull over and stop to let people pass if you get more than 5 vehicles behind you, and if you're polite, you'll do it at earliest opportunity when there's only 1 car back there.


Unfortunately it's not that simple. The problem is that the "SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT" law is not universal. Every state has different laws. The majority of states, have no "keep right" law what so ever. Slow vehicles are allowed to camp out in the left lane as long as they like. Of the states that do have "keep left" laws, most apply only up to the speed limit. So it does not supersede the speed limit.

You can see all the state laws here. State "keep right" laws



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09 Apr 2012, 8:56 pm

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So it's common in the UK to get a ticket for going just 1 mph over the posted limit?

No. The UK traffic guidelines say you'll only be fined for going 10%+2mph above the official speed limit. http://www.ukspeeding.co.uk/SpeedFines.htm
HOWEVER... if you're traveling 80mph in a 70 mph zone you'll be ticketed as travelling 10mph over the limit and not 1mph over 70+7+2mph


Thats what I thought. I've seen some video of fast lane traffic moving at a pretty good clip on some UK Motorways. I'd be surprised if that many cars were all getting speeding tickets.



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09 Apr 2012, 9:16 pm

As long as the person in front of you isn't doing over 15+ over, or going needlessly below the speed limit just follow their speed. Basically just go with the flow of traffic.



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09 Apr 2012, 10:09 pm

State trooper said 'go with the flow of traffic'. If everyone is 20MPH over the speed limit then its actually safer if you do that too. Of course we got that jewel of wisdom getting stopped on the turnpike doing 110... luckily he didn't get a clean clock on us thanks to truck traffic.



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10 Apr 2012, 5:28 am

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Have you tried crawling past & entering back onto the middle lane & then putting your foot down. Rather than blasting past dangerously using the slow lane as a fast lane. Sounds more like you would be breaking the law for speeding in a slow lane. Specially if a undercover cop car enters view & did not see you, before.


The middle lane brigade don't normally do 30mph. They tend to do 50-ish. That means to overtake them you need to be doing at least 51mph, which instantly puts you in the "highly likely to have a fatal accident" group if you're trying to get past on the inside because the outside lane(s) are unnecessarily blocked. I'm not talking about "blasting dangerously" past anyone, just trying to do a quite reasonable and entirely legal 70mph. Why are you so eager to make unfounded negative assumptions?

While I enjoy driving very quickly sometimes, I don't do so when there is other traffic around. People are unpredictable.

Your brain is already doing a huge number of very rapid calculations when you look over your shoulder before crossing from the fast lane back into the middle on a busy stretch of motorway. Having to also factor in the possibility of someone undertaking and then pulling into the middle lane from the other side is not something I would consider practicable or reasonable. In Britain, under normal road conditions, slower motorway traffic should be on your left, and faster traffic on your right.


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10 Apr 2012, 10:50 am

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kx250rider wrote:
In order not to annoy other drivers, simply obey the "slower traffic keep right" law, which shockingly, some people don't know exists! I get ULTRA-frustrated when somebody is poking along in the left lane of a highway, often right beside a truck or other slow vehicle, and make it so nobody can pass safely. I like to drive as fast as is safe for the vehicle and the conditions, so I might go 25mph over the speed limit on a straight desert highway with miles of visibility in nice weather, etc. Or I'll go at half the speed limit in foul weather, and I will NOT be in the left lane except when necessary to pass slower traffic.


I agree. Thats the way I drive. I can't understand why it's so hard for drivers to adjust their speed for conditions. Most people seem to want to drive their own speed no matter what the conditions, or how many other drivers they inconvenience doing it. Thats why as soon as you get a little rain, snow or ice, cars start crashing all over the place. Rather then just slowing down.

kx250rider wrote:
Why can't people find it in themselves to do this??? It would prevent MOST freeway accidents, according to two police officers I've spoken with about it.

In most states, the "SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT" law is separate and supersedes the the speed limit. This means that if the speed limit is 65 (as it is on most freeways and highways here), and you are going OVER 65 but in the left lane, and someone comes up behind, you MUST pull over and let them by, even if you're both also speeding. That's just common courtesy, and it's the law. Also, if you're on a 1-lane/each direction road, you MUST pull over and stop to let people pass if you get more than 5 vehicles behind you, and if you're polite, you'll do it at earliest opportunity when there's only 1 car back there.


Unfortunately it's not that simple. The problem is that the "SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT" law is not universal. Every state has different laws. The majority of states, have no "keep right" law what so ever. Slow vehicles are allowed to camp out in the left lane as long as they like. Of the states that do have "keep left" laws, most apply only up to the speed limit. So it does not supersede the speed limit.

You can see all the state laws here. State "keep right" laws


I guess that "supersede" isn't the word I should have used. The legal term is "joint and several", meaning that the speed limit and the "slower traffic keep right" laws are both enforcible separately if you are breaking both of them together. In other words, if you are speeding and in the left lane with someone else speeding behind you, and you don't pull over, you are breaking two laws, and the cop could ticket you for one or the other or both. But the one behind you is "only" speeding. That's what I mean to say.

And I'll restate that it's just plain rude to hog the left lane when you're not passing someone in the lane to your right. In Texas, the signs read "LEFT LANE FOR PASSING ONLY; NO DRIVING", and in CA and most Western states, the signs simply say "SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT". Someone going 85 in a 65 zone is going slowER than the one who came up behind going 95. :wink:

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