"Oh, it is so easy!" - "No, it is too hard!&q

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07 Jun 2012, 2:02 am

I'd like to express my utter hatred for idiotic people who keep on expressing their own feelings as if they belong on everyone. How many teachers at school brought you down because a subject is supposedly hard? How stupid - everything that is supposedly hard seemed relatively easy to me, and sometimes easy things were actually difficult. Of course, I dare not say that out loud, in case they make fun of me simply because I'm a polar opposite.

Let's fight the stupids, everyone!



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07 Jun 2012, 2:26 am

Saying something is "difficult" or "easy" is pretty useless without a lengthy explanation as to why that is the case. If there is no context there then it really is meaningless.



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07 Jun 2012, 2:28 am

I completely agree!

At school, I have lots of trouble with the more simple stuff, which we only spend a couple of days covering, but something "harder" we spend over a week on, but I don't get a single question wrong.......

Learning new techniques which are described as simple annoys me too, because they're usually very complex, and very difficult to get the hang of.

On a slightly related, slightly not note, I hate it when people tell you a test was easy, when actually I barely finished within the time. It makes me feel stupid, seeing as all these people obviously found it a breeze to complete. Then again.....if I get better marks than some of them... :twisted:


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07 Jun 2012, 3:18 am

I always missed the supposedly "easy" questions...probably because they seemed too easy.

I dont like people trying to tell me how to perceive things.



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07 Jun 2012, 3:34 am

I think there's a cognitive quirk in there somewhere--something common to humanity in general. When you encounter a task that is easy for you and hard for others, you tend to underestimate the task's difficulty. So if you're talented at math, you underestimate the difficulty of a math test; if you're talented at writing you underestimate the difficulty of writing an essay.

I recently experienced this with a statistics class. I'm a natural at stats and the tests in the class seemed extremely easy to me. I was surprised to find that the class had had a "C" average; I had expected them to average much higher than normal because I was scoring over 100% on every test, and the tests had seemed childishly simple to me. I underestimated the difficulty of the test because of how easy it is for me to do that particular task.

I wonder whether this phenomenon might not account for some of the professors who give extremely hard tests and then have to curve them drastically. Maybe they are people for whom the subject comes very naturally; so they don't understand that we don't learn the material nearly as easily as they did. Tests that seem fair to them are actually extremely difficult. I've had a few professors like that and they're always very intelligent people, and often very engaging teachers. It's just that they don't seem to know how difficult their tests are.

Note to self: Don't teach statistics classes; your students will probably hate you!


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07 Jun 2012, 3:45 am

NT's are subjective to the limits of absolute idiocy and frequently even beyond. They blare their irrelevant personal opinion as though it would be the absolute truth.

For instance, if they're talking about nice weather or the kind of food they like, but i hate sunshine and love rain and mist, and i don't like meat and fish, thus what i consider nice is very different from their point of view. How can those dimwits force their personal taste or views on other people?



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07 Jun 2012, 4:21 pm

PTSmorrow wrote:
NT's are subjective to the limits of absolute idiocy and frequently even beyond. They blare their irrelevant personal opinion as though it would be the absolute truth.

For instance, if they're talking about nice weather or the kind of food they like, but i hate sunshine and love rain and mist, and i don't like meat and fish, thus what i consider nice is very different from their point of view. How can those dimwits force their personal taste or views on other people?
Okay, I have to call you out on this one: What you just said was NOT cool. Not at all. And not just subjectively, either. You don't call fellow human beings "dimwits" and "idiots" and call their opinions "irrelevant". You just don't. They're just as valuable as you are and their opinions matter just as much as yours do. They might be different, but that doesn't make them inferior. Either you rethink your approach to NTs as a group, or you become something much worse than a dimwit--a bigoted ass.

Yes, that was strongly worded; and yes, I am aware that some NTs really are idiots who think their own viewpoint is the only one; but it's not like NTs are the only ones who ever do that. Stop painting them all with the same brush--they're not some homogeneous mass of NT, you know. If you've met one, you've met only one, just like with autistics.


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08 Jun 2012, 7:49 am

Callista wrote:
PTSmorrow wrote:
NT's are subjective to the limits of absolute idiocy and frequently even beyond. They blare their irrelevant personal opinion as though it would be the absolute truth.

For instance, if they're talking about nice weather or the kind of food they like, but i hate sunshine and love rain and mist, and i don't like meat and fish, thus what i consider nice is very different from their point of view. How can those dimwits force their personal taste or views on other people?
Okay, I have to call you out on this one: What you just said was NOT cool. Not at all. And not just subjectively, either. You don't call fellow human beings "dimwits" and "idiots" and call their opinions "irrelevant". You just don't. They're just as valuable as you are and their opinions matter just as much as yours do. They might be different, but that doesn't make them inferior. Either you rethink your approach to NTs as a group, or you become something much worse than a dimwit--a bigoted ass.

Yes, that was strongly worded; and yes, I am aware that some NTs really are idiots who think their own viewpoint is the only one; but it's not like NTs are the only ones who ever do that. Stop painting them all with the same brush--they're not some homogeneous mass of NT, you know. If you've met one, you've met only one, just like with autistics.


I couldn't care less if you consider my comment cool or whatsoever, but insist on my right of free speech -- this is my personal opinion, grown of experience and observation. If even the dimwits at the weather forecast stoop so low as to call some kind of weather "nice" and another one "ugly," i think the term dimwit is still way too kind for them.

NT's are not my fellow humans, neither am i theirs. Although i can biologically be determined as belonging to that species, i reserve the right to be not a fellow of subjective dimwits.

If you like to define yourself as a fellow of whomsoever it's your very right. But please don't subsume me.

No ma'am, i don't need f***heads like them, way too stupid to use their brains.

It is my experience that NT's are often treating their personal, subjective views as though they were absolute truth and only pitifully few of them are actually capable of objectivity.

And btw, where is your statement to the OP?

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I'd like to express my utter hatred for idiotic people who keep on expressing their own feelings as if they belong on everyone ...

Let's fight the stupids, everyone!



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08 Jun 2012, 9:00 am

Callista wrote:
I wonder whether this phenomenon might not account for some of the professors who give extremely hard tests and then have to curve them drastically. Maybe they are people for whom the subject comes very naturally; so they don't understand that we don't learn the material nearly as easily as they did. Tests that seem fair to them are actually extremely difficult. I've had a few professors like that and they're always very intelligent people, and often very engaging teachers. It's just that they don't seem to know how difficult their tests are.


Yes, I think this is the "curse of knowledge": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_knowledge I find it hard to adjust for, even though I'm aware of it.