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22 Feb 2007, 1:36 am

I had some bit of a rough spot myself a year or two ago. In the end my faith didn't save me - in fact, it I have none (Determinist Emotive Egotheist) I have "believe" in only four things.

1. Tomorrow WILL be better. AKA: Humanity can only advance

2. My senses are relatively accurate in their delivery of information to my brain

3. The world outside my mind exists

4. I am my own God. I contain all the knowledge I need to succeed without outside influence - therefore, a God in the classic sense. (Egotheism is Atheism)

I'm not trying to start a flame war here, I'm just countering the those saying their deity helped them with my own views. Atheists pull ourselves up by the bootstraps just the same as everyone. I suggest those who feel lost turn to Buddism or Jainism - two wonderful non-theistic but positive systems of belief. They helped bring me a bit of peace when I needed it. BUT remember "Use the crutch only till' you can walk without it, otherwise you'll use it for the rest of your life."


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22 Feb 2007, 2:36 am

ive been on this site to talk with other parents. my daughter is almost 9 and has AS. my husband also has AS and my son is following. it took me a while to figure out what NT was. to be honest i truly dont think ANYONE has a so called "normal" brain. im bi-polar and if you met me you would call me an NT.

the majority of NTs just dont have the courage to face their, for lack of a better word, "malfunctions".

grace knows she has AS, but she doesnt know im bi-polar...she would just read about the suicide rate among the people with the disease. but, i only have a very mild controlled case and now consider it a blessing in helping me to allow grace to be who she needs to be.

i encourage any of you who have problems "fitting in" to be exactly who you are. try not to let AS define you...you define AS. i so dont want to offend...but thats what i had to work very hard and it was almost impossible to do with being bi-polar. (i do know its very differnt challenges)

im 39 and still dont fit in...eventually i didnt care. i pray you all find your place and dont become angry. i sound like a mom...but remember fear and ignorance are one in the same.

i live with 3 AS people and im basically crazy most of the time...but life can be good. i know from my daughter that she cant just go with the flow. im already teaching her that though im accepting, that the "world" isnt.

its a real pity of what the worlds standards are. in my opinion...if you're not at least a little strange you're not interesting.



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22 Feb 2007, 5:17 pm

janwr, I define AS :D excellent way to put it!

I define AS :)


oh, and that's an awesome picture by the way! Is that your girl?



ZanneMarie by the way, I got the quote from here:

http://www.csudh.edu/dearhabermas/autism02.htm


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22 Feb 2007, 5:29 pm

I don't think people of the Bible had AS. For one reason it all happened where Israel, Jorden area is. All of them were either Arabs or something else. I doubt that people of God would have been under this but who knows what the living conditions of back then were.


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22 Feb 2007, 5:44 pm

Yes, ofcourse.
I've been living the way NT's live for the last year and it's quite nice.
There is no depression.
I go to partys.
I get laid lots.
Say what you want but to me that seems better than the life of a bookworm or a computer nerd.

I mostly keep my intelegent side to myself.



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22 Feb 2007, 6:19 pm

computerlove wrote:
janwr, I define AS :D excellent way to put it!

I define AS :)


oh, and that's an awesome picture by the way! Is that your girl?



ZanneMarie by the way, I got the quote from here:

http://www.csudh.edu/dearhabermas/autism02.htm


yes, thats grace. shes such an amazing, intelligent kid. shes also very fragile. thats my husband, tom, wandering around in the background...hes probably looking at a bird. she and tom are photocopies of one another.
i am determined to help her be a strong woman. i want to allow her to be who she is...with two artists for parents we have to!



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22 Feb 2007, 6:32 pm

I'd like a cure for my defective memory. If I could just remember the things I need to, I'd be a boffin first class ! !
I wander into a room, see something like a magazine, pick it up and DRAT ! ! what did I come in for ?? Same thing at work, Mr. Scrooge will be shouting out orders like a Russian General, and I have to write them down, or sure enough I'll forget one or two of them. BUT I wouldn't want to lose my personality, I wouldn't want to feel like an NT. (Whatever that feels like ???! !)


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22 Feb 2007, 7:54 pm

janwr wrote:
computerlove wrote:
janwr, I define AS :D excellent way to put it!

I define AS :)


oh, and that's an awesome picture by the way! Is that your girl?



ZanneMarie by the way, I got the quote from here:

http://www.csudh.edu/dearhabermas/autism02.htm


yes, thats grace. shes such an amazing, intelligent kid. shes also very fragile. thats my husband, tom, wandering around in the background...hes probably looking at a bird. she and tom are photocopies of one another.
i am determined to help her be a strong woman. i want to allow her to be who she is...with two artists for parents we have to!


It's interesting you described her as fragile. Everyone described me that way when I was young and at least half of them still do. I always think, Fragile? But, it's interesting you use that term.



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23 Feb 2007, 2:46 am

I wish I could get cured of the disorganization problem and oversensitivities to light, smells and touch. With the disorganization I forget what I am doing and wander through the house trying to remember what it was I was going to do before I forgot. Or I don't stay on track and can't accomplish washing a whole sink of dishes at once or get overwhelmed with junk mail and let 6 months worth stack up all over the floor and counter top. Also wish I could speak better in person and not sound like a dork. Being co-ordinated would be a plus too. I'm so clumsy I'm dangerous to myself. My friend is as clumsy as I am so when her husband drove us to Nevada when we opened the truck doors to get out he said "Ok girls, be careful and don't anybody fall as they get out."



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23 Feb 2007, 10:41 am

ROFL That is so much like me! Don't anybody fall out. I'd be banging my head. I'm always banging into things. My husband is always going, "Where'd you get that bruise, baby?" I'll look at it and suddenly remember I have it, then say, "I don't know." He'll get the frown. The frown says he really doesn't think I'm safe out by myself, but he knows he can't watch me 24/7. I know this because he's said it often enough. Now, it's just THE FROWN.


I can't do the stacks, although that sounds like something I would do. He's too OCD to allow stacks. He hands me my mail and takes care of the rest. When I had to be alone that six months waiting on my transfer, I forgot the mail altogether. Let me tell you, the Post Office does not like this. They finally hung a snotty gram on my door which I didn't even see because I go in the through the garage. He found it on the weekend and freaked out because I hadn't gotten the mail in three weeks. Who thinks about these things? Anyway, he had the mail sent to the city where he was until I moved.

Let's not even get into the phone. I left the phone unplugged for two years once. They do send the police if it's an emergency and tell you to call your parents or whoever. I know this from experience. That's a different frown. It's kind of like the brows go together as he's listening to the cop, then his eyes widen and he asks me if I unplugged the phone, then the whole forehead wrinkle thing culminating in the heavy sigh. I still unplug the phone. I don't understand the need for phones either. They annoy me.



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23 Feb 2007, 4:14 pm

Ok, I will cure you. I cured myself, and like all complex mystries, all magic, that seem beyond understanding, it becomes nothing once someone shows you how the trick works.

Arther Clark defined magic as technology you do not understand.

I had it all, mostly I remember coming home from school, my clothes covered in blood, a broken nose, and getting hell for ruining my clothes. I was the least educatable child in my school, the opposite of a teaches pet, and and when the whole grade was tested, stood ten points higher than the next student, who was the teachers pet.

I did not fit in. Family, teachers, Principal, coaches, all were on my case every waking minute, "behave like the others," " fit in," "get with the program." So I did.

It is a pecking order, I could see that, and it is a public display of superiority. Our Alpha dog was a Baby Huey that played football, they had great hope for him. The system was based on football, my Principal had lead his team to division champs.

He was the coaches enforcer, picking on people like me to teach "Respect." He was not bright enough to get a degree and become a coach, but he would make a fine police officer someday. He was half again as large as me, and was totally shocked when I slapped him, my palm covering his ear. His general response time was slow, a good lineman. I stepped around him, and slapped his other ear, when he tried to turn an face me all the weight was on one leg, and a foot to the back of the knee tumbled him.

I just stood, my usual blank expresssion. And saying I was crazy, he got up, away from me, and hurried out the door to go tell coach. Later on the playground we played tackle the man with the ball, showing how twenty-fie can run down one, group superiority. I think a teacher was involved, I had never been involved, just moved about on the edge, but the ball was thrown to me.

I took it and ran, the chase was on, screaming minions on my heels, when I stopped, turned, and charged into the pack, a path eight foot wide opened, I ran through to the other side and beyond, turned again, and they still stood in two groups, looking at the teacher. I rolled the ball down the open alley, and none dared take it.

Where ever I walked, everyone got out of the way. My educational career soon ended, it seemed everyone was scared of me. There is no telling what he might do! It was true.

I got a job running a pool hall, I had a reputation, and now a pool cue, and soon a motorcycle. A lot of people thought something should be done about me, by Social Services, the Police, somebody, but I had a job, was never in trouble, and fit within a structure. In this pool hall, what you can and can't do is up to me. I broke up fights by beating both with a pool cue, driving them out the door. It is the job.

Looking back with fond memories, I see that I had become someone, a pchyopath, sociopath, hostile, aggressive, where even a look could set me off, "What are you looking at, you want some of me? I got what what you need, right here and now!" It is a wonderful life.

Girls could not resist me, in fact, they hunted me. I only wanted them for sex, ignored them, treated them with contempt, and they stood in line for it. At fifteen I was doing eighteen year old's, they had some money and daddy's car. Some bars carded girls, but never the guy who brought them, and paid for the drinks with their money.

Sometimes for fun I would polish my motorcycle, while parked in front of my Principals house. He lives here, I never knew that, I was just adjusting my carb.

I have found two good matches, one is Drill Instructers, DIs. To make a Soldier, first you have to squeeze a lot of baby, child, momma, nightmares, fears, ideas of having a "self", out of them, "What's the matter with you Soldier, do you want your Mommie?" "Do you think she will kiss it and make it all better?" "Do you want me to kiss it?" What are you looking at, eyes front! Before you can build a Soldier, you have to clean out a civilian. Wipe out their past, and then build. After breaking them down, driving out all fears but one, the DI, who, if attacked by all the minions of hell, would soon have them marching in close formation. All he wants is very simple, "Do exactly what you are told." There will be no flags and bands where you are going, just people who will kill you if they can, no nation, no army, no offices to coddle you, the whole world will be your squad, and your country, the Soldier next to you. Do not let him down, die if that what it takes, for he has nothing but you, you him, and together, you have a wet foxhole with the smell of death all around. They are coming.

The other I learned from Sociology, of prison populations. There are three main types. Lames let people walk over them, anyone, any time, and don't want any trouble. Half-assed, get along, but there is a line, you cross it, we fight. Win or lose is not important, when someone takes a cheap shot, does something minor, that is not worth much, get up and start swinging, you may get your ass kicked, but ever after, you wear a sign, "it won't be free, it won't be cheap, but if you want it that bad, bring it on."

The third is a Gee, one wrong look, and there are no threats, he just explodes on whatever bothered him. He does not care weather it is one or a group. I am not here to teach you manners, If you try to see what you can get away with, you will find some things you can't. Instant Karma. "What are you looking at!"

Then there are Wigs, even Gees avoid crossing them, they may seem lame, maybe halfassed, but it builds, and one day, there is a sudden hospital trip for someone, and the Wig could not have done it, he just sits in his cell and rocks.

I found identity in "One flew over the Kuko's nest." Bull Goose Looney! It is always good to find yourself.

The other children still did not want to play with me, except the girls, where no one else could see, but it was for other reasons now. I slapped one, laid into several with a cue stick, and was just getting good at it, feeling I had found my place in life, when they quit playing, and made sure they did not agravate me.

When confronted, I circle to their right, say things like "What is your blood type?" and "Here kitty kitty, here kitty kitty, and I smile." I like to look deep into people's eyes, the windows of the soul, and my Wraith friends pay me well for what I take.

My life of employment started with a job most fear, in a room full of agressive drunk males who are playing pool for money. No problem, "One riot, one Ranger." They never all attack, if you strike first. It was the same with street gangs, it was late, dark, their neighborhood, I was outnumbered, and no one expected it when I kicked the leader. In combat, I advance when I have an advantage, and the street cleared. Do not do this at the office, but when the bully goes down, the rest were afraid of him. There are other ways of the same.

It is an uneven game, if I lose a thousand times, it means nothing, if they lose once, it is all over. Taking a tempory advantage in a long struggle, just gives away your position. Here kitty kitty.

I found places they could not go, and prospered. Closets are fun, most when the light is out, and the blackness is total. When it is silent, it reminds me of the tomb. Lilly, Mind of the Dolphin, developed a sense depravation chamber. floating in silent darkness, no input, sends minds into full blown madness, they see and hear things, terror strikes, panic strikes, (Why was Pan not on the religion quiz?) They take all they can, it is for science, then push the panic button. Lilly quit because he was afraid of someone dying. They fully reported, after they had recovered, what happened to them in the days without senses.

I was a very bad form of Clinical madness, some suffered long term problems, They reported days, but I think the record was 11 minutes. I worked in film processing darkrooms, on the night shift, alone in the building, the city asleep, and never had a better job. I got well paid, for of the few who took the job, none lasted. There is a place for us. I found in total darkness, and this was Professional Grade, after a half hour I can see, and I had regular visitors. Some could see me, others could not. Some are still friends.

Machines are another thing that sends most people screeming the first time they can not remove a bolt, or getting it apart, can not run the memory backward to put it together. I like machines, they are as cold as I am.

I started in IT in the punch card era, "I was a CPU." I did well, but the field could not progress for there were few people who, "Had the mind for it." That is why the field did not progress till chips, now people have less idea what is going on. Some thought they should "Manage me." I was friendly, but told them, it is like a math problem, you stopped me in the middle, now I have to reboot, and start again at the prompt. I will come tell you when I am done, I managed them. Be reasonable, do it my way.

Now you are cured, go forth and be like other NTs, "Shoot low, they are short!" Get primal, and be universally understood, I hardly have ever used violent behavior, but am always ready if they want to bring it on. Being an NT is simple, the reason most people can not understand computers, all of IT is on/off, do we need to review?

I learned from the soft school, a shopping list on your desk, Fava Beans, a nice Chianti, works wonders. If an NT speaks, they are lying to you, and themselves, return the greeting. When they are not speaking, they are plotting your downfall, a little "Got you," smile can give them weeks of nightmares. To fit in, try to drive the people around you into drinking and drugs, always tell them they are not getting what they deserve, try to reach them, to undermine any happiness, because while they slave away every day to provide for their family, their beautiful and desireable wife must get awfully lonely for company.

Befriend people at work, and write it all down in a notebook. Most you cannot take out in single combat, but if you play one this way, another that, tell a few secrets, tell what they said to so and so, you can start a war, and when promotions come, those people have issues. Be nice to everyone, never can tell when you might get a chance to steal something, blame it on someone else, and win bonus points.

As an NT, it is not how you rise, but how those around you crumble. Last man standing wins.

For advanced education, Akira Kurasara did a movie about a Ronin who got between two warring gangs, and Clint Eastwood did it as a western, see both, several times. The only writer worth reading, besides myself, is Machivelli.

Now that you are cured, if I ever see your sorry ass looking at me I am going to make a killing on the organ market. What is your blood type? Here Kitty kitty..here kitty kitty



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23 Feb 2007, 8:00 pm

Fricken spooky,accurate and hilarious and ranks up there with "Confederacy of Dunces" and "On the Road"<---I think its called?
Publish a book and I will be on the waiting list to buy it.... :D


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23 Feb 2007, 9:05 pm

LOL Confederacy of Dunces. I haven't thought of that in years!


Loved it. But, if you touch my kitty I will slap you down. I may be short, but I can hit where it counts.



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