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Emilykin
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24 May 2013, 4:10 pm

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Do you talk to your plush animals?


Yeah! There is nothing wrong with that...no one's around and I'd rather talk to them who don't talk back then to involve myself in a real social situation.


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24 May 2013, 4:13 pm

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A church elder started a rumor that I was "mentally ill" because I was able to illuminate the flaws in his personal interpretations of the Bible.
Last I checked, seminary was supposed to teach you what "humility" means... for example, the willingness to consider that you may be wrong, and the ability to accept the value of others' opinions even when you think they are wrong.

OP, I'm willing to bet that coloring and owning stuffed animals would have been considered a harmless eccentricity if you had not been a mental patient at the time. Psychologists don't think about that sometimes. We know that eccentricity is not harmful and does not need help from a psychologist--every beginning psychology textbook contains an explanation something along those lines. But when professionals see eccentric behavior in someone with a mental illness, they immediately jump to the idea that this behavior must be a.) part of the mental illness and b.) harmful.

Autistic people are often eccentric, and our eccentricities may have to do with our autism, but they are not usually harmful. And even then, sometimes we're just plain eccentric in a way that hasn't got much to do with our autism. My mom, who's as Aspie as they come, is a conspiracy theorist and a natural-foods afficionado, just like many NTs are. Her level of obsessiveness is autistic, but her odd beliefs are simple eccentricity.

There's one case where eccentricity is a symptom--schizotypal personality disorder. However, it's one of a group of symptoms, and you don't diagnose it unless there is an actual problem in the person's life, just like you don't automatically diagnose nerdy folks with Asperger's.

I have had some similar assumptions made about myself: I kept to myself while hospitalized, and this was assumed to be a sign of depression. They did not consider that most of the patients were not particularly interesting to talk to (maybe because they didn't know interesting things or maybe because they were too drugged up to talk about the interesting things they knew), and that I had gotten books and my schoolwork from friends when they visited me. Yes, I was "withdrawing", but that was because I was an autistic introvert with interesting things to do alone, in the middle of a major burnout episode and instinctively trying to conserve my resources. I had been admitted due to suicidal ideation, which abated by the third day to the point that I was no longer in danger, but they kept me for ten days because they didn't believe I was no longer in crisis. Only once they explicitly told me that they were keeping me because I did not socialize, and once I forced myself into the dayroom and sat there doing the things I usually did in my room, did they finally conclude I was getting better.



I'm willing to bet that coloring and owning stuffed animals would have been considered a harmless eccentricity if you had not been a mental patient at the time. Psychologists don't think about that sometimes.

I had to point out this you said because I was not in the hospital due to any mental issues. I was in the hospital due to a physical complaint which I am still suffering and I was deemed psychotic and assumed that the pain I was feeling was all in my head. It however is not!! !


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24 May 2013, 4:48 pm

I was diagnosed with psychotic attack schizophrenia type, just for telling the doctor, that sometimes when im too interested in my things usally physics or math, my stimuli filter stop working, and i start to see numbers and graphs everywhere, and problems start to solve alone, and sometimes is so overwhelming, that i have to go to sleep, because i cant concentrate, the sounds and colors and numbers, sometimes cant even let me do my normal things, and when that happens usually ends when i end some problem i was thinking it was hard, so until i dont solve that problem, i cant even sleep, because my mind doesnt shut down, and i just have to accept my mind showing me everything.

I know this is not something a neurotypical experiment, but is not a psychotic symtompt to, usually to get diagnosed with psychotic attack, you need to have delusions or hallucinations for at least 6 days-12 days, this thing just happen ocasionally, and just last for 3-4 days.

I was in antipsychotics 3 months, until another psychiatrist told me i didnt have a psychotic attack, that it was autism, and sometimes i cant filter things easily.



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24 May 2013, 5:18 pm

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I had to point out this you said because I was not in the hospital due to any mental issues. I was in the hospital due to a physical complaint which I am still suffering and I was deemed psychotic and assumed that the pain I was feeling was all in my head. It however is not!! !
Ah, my mistake. I suppose I assumed that it had been a mental ward because they diagnosed you with psychosis.

By the way, even psychogenic pain is not "all in your head", nor is it a form of psychosis. They call it "conversion disorder", and it's what happens when your mental stress load expresses itself in physical symptoms. People get numbness, digestive problems, seizures, and, yeah, pain. But the sensations are real. They are actually experiencing those things, and their heart rate responds just like it would to pain with a physical cause. They really can't stand on paralyzed legs; they really lose consciousness during psychogenic seizures. And it is not considered psychosis, because however much stress they are in, these people have not lost touch with reality. They are expressing psychological stress in the form of physical symptoms. For some of them, it's because they have been trying to cope with their stress by pushing it away, telling themselves they are not allowed to feel anxious or depressed or similar. So it comes out as physical illness. But it is not psychosis.

It must be very frustrating to have symptoms with no medical explanation. The doctors' idea that your symptoms must be "all in your head" seems more like a guess based on their inability to figure out exactly what is going on. As an example, people with fibromyalgia get that kind of thing all the time--the doctors don't believe that they really have physical causes for their physical symptoms and they can go undiagnosed for ages.


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24 May 2013, 5:33 pm

Emilykin wrote:
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Do you talk to your plush animals?


Yeah! There is nothing wrong with that...no one's around and I'd rather talk to them who don't talk back then to involve myself in a real social situation.


I was trying to guess why the psychiatrist deemed you psychotic, I have no problem with you talking to them. From your original post it seemed the diagnosis was baseless - liking juvenile things is not psychotic, we can all agree on that I think!

Before your explanation about the physical pain I thought the doctor saw/heard you treating them like real people and leapt to that conclusion, but now that's completely moot.



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24 May 2013, 6:18 pm

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I was diagnosed with psychotic attack schizophrenia type, just for telling the doctor, that sometimes when im too interested in my things usally physics or math, my stimuli filter stop working, and i start to see numbers and graphs everywhere, and problems start to solve alone, and sometimes is so overwhelming, that i have to go to sleep, because i cant concentrate, the sounds and colors and numbers, sometimes cant even let me do my normal things, and when that happens usually ends when i end some problem i was thinking it was hard, so until i dont solve that problem, i cant even sleep, because my mind doesnt shut down, and i just have to accept my mind showing me everything.

I know this is not something a neurotypical experiment, but is not a psychotic symtompt to, usually to get diagnosed with psychotic attack, you need to have delusions or hallucinations for at least 6 days-12 days, this thing just happen ocasionally, and just last for 3-4 days.

I was in antipsychotics 3 months, until another psychiatrist told me i didnt have a psychotic attack, that it was autism, and sometimes i cant filter things easily.



I can relate to you in a sense. I am not good at math like you but when I colour or draw the colours I chose become so vibrant and beautiful that it literally becomes too much for my mind to comprehend and I just have to start crying or have some kind of break down of some sort because the stimulation of such beauty blows every brain cell I own! I think in movies and pictures but what is in my brain is different than from what is a cartoon or something....and when I see something overly adorable or overly sad I just can't help but be over-whelmed. I have literally just burst out in tears while during an out-door stroll simply because my emotions get the better of me especially if I see something sad like a dead animal or something.

I was put on anti-psychotics too and I was only in the hospital 10 days! I never got off clonazepam until recently though, the withdrawal nearly killed me but being on it made me crazy and I didn't like myself very much while I was on it. I knew it was better for my health just to suck up the withdrawal and get off of it then to stay on the stuff.


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24 May 2013, 6:24 pm

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I have a collection of stuffed plush toy frogs , I currently have 32 of them and I like to colour. Also, I like to swing on the park swings near my house. I go for a walk everyday and if the swings are deserted then I go on one. Oh, yes, and I read teen literature (as well as adult ) and watch children's cartoons while I eat breakfast. I'm 28 years old.

To answer your first question, I've never been labelled psychotic.



WOW too bad you never lived close to me we could be best friend's! I go on the swings too when no one's on them and teen literature is something I read...I usually like pre-teen literature or picture book's because being a picture thinker makes it hard for me to imagine something said (or read) without a picture to what I call "build imagination from" but then I am a woman whose knowledge in classical poetry is quite extensive! I'm 24 years old by the way!! !

P.S. What characters do you like to colour most?


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24 May 2013, 6:53 pm

I suffered that conversion thing back in 1980 during my own "Great Depression" in my Senior year at HS. Physical symptom, numbness, that I actually twisted to punish myself for my sister's death. But that is a long story & I digress...
Nothing stated above is vaugely psychotic in anyway.

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24 May 2013, 8:06 pm

I'm a NT, and I read children's (not teen) books, sometimes watch kiddie shows, love to go on swings and rides that don't make me too dizzy, and would still be building things with my kids blocks if we hadn't had to get them out of the living room . . . Oh, and by the way, I'm a highly successful professional (on here because of my beloved Aspie daughter).
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24 May 2013, 11:03 pm

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I have a collection of stuffed plush toy frogs , I currently have 32 of them and I like to colour. Also, I like to swing on the park swings near my house. I go for a walk everyday and if the swings are deserted then I go on one. Oh, yes, and I read teen literature (as well as adult ) and watch children's cartoons while I eat breakfast. I'm 28 years old.

To answer your first question, I've never been labelled psychotic.



WOW too bad you never lived close to me we could be best friend's! I go on the swings too when no one's on them and teen literature is something I read...I usually like pre-teen literature or picture book's because being a picture thinker makes it hard for me to imagine something said (or read) without a picture to what I call "build imagination from" but then I am a woman whose knowledge in classical poetry is quite extensive! I'm 24 years old by the way!! !

P.S. What characters do you like to colour most?


I like to colour the characters from Harry Potter and from My Little Pony Friendship is Magic (both really faddy, I know). When I want to use deep/dark colours I like doing HP pictures and when I want bright purples and pinks I do MLP. I also sometimes just colour random scenes of a kitten in a basket or something. What characters do you colour?



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25 May 2013, 9:31 am

Emilykin wrote:
rixxar12 wrote:
I was diagnosed with psychotic attack schizophrenia type, just for telling the doctor, that sometimes when im too interested in my things usally physics or math, my stimuli filter stop working, and i start to see numbers and graphs everywhere, and problems start to solve alone, and sometimes is so overwhelming, that i have to go to sleep, because i cant concentrate, the sounds and colors and numbers, sometimes cant even let me do my normal things, and when that happens usually ends when i end some problem i was thinking it was hard, so until i dont solve that problem, i cant even sleep, because my mind doesnt shut down, and i just have to accept my mind showing me everything.

I know this is not something a neurotypical experiment, but is not a psychotic symtompt to, usually to get diagnosed with psychotic attack, you need to have delusions or hallucinations for at least 6 days-12 days, this thing just happen ocasionally, and just last for 3-4 days.

I was in antipsychotics 3 months, until another psychiatrist told me i didnt have a psychotic attack, that it was autism, and sometimes i cant filter things easily.



I can relate to you in a sense. I am not good at math like you but when I colour or draw the colours I chose become so vibrant and beautiful that it literally becomes too much for my mind to comprehend and I just have to start crying or have some kind of break down of some sort because the stimulation of such beauty blows every brain cell I own! I think in movies and pictures but what is in my brain is different than from what is a cartoon or something....and when I see something overly adorable or overly sad I just can't help but be over-whelmed. I have literally just burst out in tears while during an out-door stroll simply because my emotions get the better of me especially if I see something sad like a dead animal or something.

I was put on anti-psychotics too and I was only in the hospital 10 days! I never got off clonazepam until recently though, the withdrawal nearly killed me but being on it made me crazy and I didn't like myself very much while I was on it. I knew it was better for my health just to suck up the withdrawal and get off of it then to stay on the stuff.


I was only 3 months on anti-psychotics, but it was typical anti-psychotics(haloperidol) one of the worst, i cant even understand why people still use that one, those 3 months, were the worts in my entire life.

I got severe dystonia, induced drug parkisonism, akathisia, i got hallucinations because of that drug, i was sedated that i stayed in my bed like 15-17 hours a day, i had to got to the hospital to get food injected, because i couldnt eat for like a week and a half because it took all my apetite , and my colon almost failed.
I coulndt pee for like a week, but my urethra hurted like hell,i got imsonia and i had to wait for like 2 weeks, until my body will turn off, and suddenly i will have vivid nightmares and wake up screaming sweating.



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26 May 2013, 5:42 am

Oh, jeez. Haldol. You have my sympathy. I have only been on that once, while in the hospital, and I can hardly remember that time. There's a reason they call those things "major tranquilizers".

They do still use it as a tranquilizer, for that reason, because it works relatively quickly, but why in the world would they go to it first when there are other antipsychotics available that don't basically flatten you into a drooling, half-conscious lump?


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26 May 2013, 5:55 am

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... into a drooling, half-conscious lump?


Probably a good thing for mental patients though, especially for psychotic or manic episodes.

Naturally, it's not always the best for some, but you know how they like "the best for the majority".

I would have loved to be on the Seroquel I'm now on during my mental hostel stay -- all they gave me was an SSRI and Valium. Lollies for my state at that time. Being knocked out would have been a blessing.



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26 May 2013, 9:37 am

[quote="Callista"]Oh, jeez. Haldol. You have my sympathy. I have only been on that once, while in the hospital, and I can hardly remember that time. There's a reason they call those things "major tranquilizers".

They do still use it as a tranquilizer, for that reason, because it works relatively quickly, but why in the world would they go to it first when there are other antipsychotics available that don't basically flatten you into a drooling, half-conscious lump?[/quote

Have you ever been put on Olazapene? I was put on that along with clonazepam and it took my blood pressure way up and my blood sugar way down and I was so sedated that I could hardly get out of bed to use the bathroom! Doctors really suck when they chose medications, they see dollar signs instead of the patients needs.


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26 May 2013, 3:42 pm

I was also on Haldol for a very short time when I was really depressed and had major sleep problems -as in only being able to sleep an hour in two days-I always have insomnia so it was really bad when I was depressed. It helped me sleep a bit but made me so sedated and out of it that they took me off of it in 2 weeks. Now I take an SSRI , Straterra which is a non-stimulant ADHD med and olazopam occasionally when I can't sleep.



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26 May 2013, 4:51 pm

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I was also on Haldol for a very short time when I was really depressed and had major sleep problems -as in only being able to sleep an hour in two days-I always have insomnia so it was really bad when I was depressed. It helped me sleep a bit but made me so sedated and out of it that they took me off of it in 2 weeks. Now I take an SSRI , Straterra which is a non-stimulant ADHD med and olazopam occasionally when I can't sleep.



I've decided never to take any med's again...not after that little stunt those arse doctors did to me! Have you ever tried over the counter melatonin? It has helped me relax at times but I have a tendency to become very used to any kind of drugs very quickly and then they don't work anymore. I have to admit I have never heard of an SSRI? Something to add to my library of information in my brain I guess :) LOL


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