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15 Mar 2014, 8:30 pm

Maybe aspies are morally superior to NTs, though, on the whole. NTs let themselves lying, manipulating, striving for power over others, backstabbing, striving for personal advantage by undermining others, using others as commodities..



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15 Mar 2014, 8:39 pm

I'm superior to everyone.



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16 Mar 2014, 1:26 am

B19 wrote:
Maybe aspies are morally superior to NTs, though, on the whole. NTs let themselves lying, manipulating, striving for power over others, backstabbing, striving for personal advantage by undermining others, using others as commodities..


Don't forget making sweeping generalisations about most of the world while completely ignoring their own flaws...


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16 Mar 2014, 3:16 am

I'm an aspie, and I will honestly admit that I've lied, told half-truths, and even manipulated people for my personal gain. Granted, it didn't exactly come to me naturally, but those have been some of the "NT" things I've picked up on over the years. It sickens me that I've done dishonest things, and it also sickens me when other people act dishonestly, but as a whole I am generally a lot more honest than many of the people I know.



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16 Mar 2014, 4:10 am

I find myself feeling sick of aspie-superiority too often these days. Non of us (I mean, humans) can claim they are better than other human beings purely settled on the fact that there are obvious differences in strengths AND weaknesses.

Furthermore, autism spectrum hosts people who are actually more challenged than the average NT person when it comes to everyday functioning. I feel sympathy towards them because I see from my own experience that having an overall good intellect is not enough to do in this life with the same ease as most NT people can, regardless their intellect.

So, aspie-superiority or not, when someone puts a label on oneself that reads 'disorder' I don't see the point in arguing about 'superiority'. 'Equality' would fare better.


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16 Mar 2014, 5:09 am

Whatever. To me anyone who states that "aspies are superior" or "NTs are superior" is an idiot.
It is weird to see that some people with Asperger's that state that they dislike the social hierarchy also state that people with Asperger's are superior and by that they themselves are creating a sort of hierarchy.
Anyway, I think most people, both NTs and non-NTs, should just shut up and accept that even people who are different from them can have both good and bad qualities.
Personally, I have never thought I was superior. I used to think I was inferior once but now I don't anymore. And anyway, just because I thought of myself as inferior I have never thought that anyone else with Asperger's was inferior like me.



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16 Mar 2014, 6:43 am

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Whatever. To me anyone who states that "aspies are superior" or "NTs are superior" is an idiot.
It is weird to see that some people with Asperger's that state that they dislike the social hierarchy also state that people with Asperger's are superior and by that they themselves are creating a sort of hierarchy.
Anyway, I think most people, both NTs and non-NTs, should just shut up and accept that even people who are different from them can have both good and bad qualities.
Personally, I have never thought I was superior. I used to think I was inferior once but now I don't anymore. And anyway, just because I thought of myself as inferior I have never thought that anyone else with Asperger's was inferior like me.


I couldn't agree more about this! (except the 'idiot' part haha, i don't think people are idiots). I think people who think they are superior or feeling better than others are thinking it because of insecurity issues, because if you're in balance, you don't think in way's of superior or not. You just accept yourself and others the way they are. You accept that everybody's different, and that is okay. If you can't see the beauty in that, that means you are not there yet to become what a human being realy means. That's how i think about it. People with ASS have a lot to be insecure about, but that doesn't give them an excuse to have this kind of attitude. I think it's a really nasty negative attitude who suits nobody. Change the world by looking at yourself, is still my motto.


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16 Mar 2014, 6:48 am

Personally for me, I feel equal to people.

I think I clicked on the wrong button though, because I misread the question.


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16 Mar 2014, 8:32 am

I selected "no" because I think selecting "yes" would imply that I accepted your superior / inferior perspective on humans, which I think is a NT trait. Aspies and NTs cannot be compared on superior / inferior scales. If you had stated that Aspies and NTs should not be assessed on superior / inferior scales I would have selected "yes" instead.



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16 Mar 2014, 11:39 am

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It is not politically correct to believe that you are superior to someone else. With that logic we are all equal and Einstein is no smarter than anyone else. The fact is that autistics are geniuses and neurotypicals are too jealous to admit it. Rather than putting us in classes for the gifted and talented neurotypicals love to put us in special education ret*d schools. Neurotypicals want us to think that we are dumb. What nuerotypicals need to do is get out of our way otherwise these tyrants will hold us back forever. All we need to do is speak the truth but neurotypicals will use fear tactics to hold us back. But what do we have to lose? How many times do we have to let these tyrants fire us from good paying jobs before we realize that they have no right to take our unemployment benefits away from us if we protest.


Uhh I am autistic and not a genius, doesn't mean I am dumb but I don't have extraordinary intelligence...I think there are plenty of other autistics here who aren't geniuses. And I never had a good paying job to be fired from because I can't even function on a minimum wage part time job or seasonal job. Its not tyrants holding me back per say but rather things like problems with executive functioning and processing speed as well as having difficulties dealing with the public. Public school destroyed my self worth and contributed to my depression and anxiety issues but I don't think being forced into classes for gifted people and being expected to excel in those would have helped matters. Also I likely have a learning disability in math according to a neuropsychologist I saw perhaps a school that acknowledged my difficulties would have been beneficial.

Also do you agree with the terminology 'ret*d schools'? if so I am kind of thinking you're acting just as bad as the neurotypicals you're complaining about.

Also not sure what Einstien has to do with autism, I have never seen any evidence he was diagnosed with any kind of autism...He might have been more intelligent in some ways but that doesn't = superior to other people. I am better at predicting the weather than the rest of my family but that certainly does not make me better then them...there are plenty of things they can do better than me. Not thinking people are superior to others doesn't mean we all have the exact same skills, strengths and weaknesses it just means people arent worth less than each other due to lacking a skill or strength someone else has.


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17 Mar 2014, 7:04 pm

Apparently I was so low functioning that I could not even hold down a minimum wage job at McDonald's. The only reason why I make big money is because I joined a construction union and I am dispatched directly to jobs without going through the interview process. People regarded me as taking advantage of the system because it seemed that I would accept jobs regardless of whether or not I could do the job and the union could not stop me from taking these jobs because of my rights. Because of me, contractors would stop doing business with the union even though the union could provide skilled carpenters. I was almost run out of town by other carpenters who were locked out of their jobs because of my poor performance. What saved me was not an increase in my work performance but rather the Union started to institute drug testing. Workers who could not pass the drug test were fired and these workers became the new boogeyman.



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17 Mar 2014, 9:27 pm

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Apparently I was so low functioning that I could not even hold down a minimum wage job at McDonald's. The only reason why I make big money is because I joined a construction union and I am dispatched directly to jobs without going through the interview process. People regarded me as taking advantage of the system because it seemed that I would accept jobs regardless of whether or not I could do the job and the union could not stop me from taking these jobs because of my rights. Because of me, contractors would stop doing business with the union even though the union could provide skilled carpenters. I was almost run out of town by other carpenters who were locked out of their jobs because of my poor performance. What saved me was not an increase in my work performance but rather the Union started to institute drug testing. Workers who could not pass the drug test were fired and these workers became the new boogeyman.


This story is pretty funny, and I admire that you stuck it out. I have learned from personal experience, however, that relating stories about your poor job performance can have negative consequences in the long run.



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17 Mar 2014, 9:58 pm

I think it's the world we are put in that allows others to perceive us as inferior (or perhaps the opposite in the minds of some), even if, in absolute terms, everyone is equal.
Personally I'm not sure either way.


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18 Mar 2014, 12:13 am

Yes we are they must bow down to us!! Just kidding of course.


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18 Mar 2014, 7:31 am

I totally agree with the OP. I find it easier to connect with NTs (though very few); their rules are easier to understand. Also, most of the people who have been kind to me, and consider me a friend, are NTs. All the truly good people I know are NTs. While I do know honest Aspies, I find them on the whole rather self-centred and cold-hearted; they find it hard to think of others.



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18 Mar 2014, 9:54 am

I don't believe the framing of the concept of "ASD superiority" - as presented so far - is correct in view of how it is used by "ASD supremacists".

Darwinism states that a single evolutionary advantage is all it takes for one group to be superior to another group. Thus, rather than look at the set of ASD advantages/disadvantages, the question to answer is whether there is that astonishing evolutionary ASD advantage such that it overrides all the disadvantages, and singularly makes ASD people superior to NT people ?

One argument I have seen by ASD "superiority" people is that "ASD people are less likely to die from accidents than non-ASD, because ASD people tend to stay inside and away from people". I would also add that perhaps those that stay inside, and away from people may have less stress, and thus, less stress-related causes of death.

I am not saying I agree with the premise. I am just saying , so far, I don't believe people here have addressed the true argument of the "ASD supremacists".