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23 Apr 2014, 11:39 am

With the tantrums and meltdowns, what if you experiment with a couple of different zen approaches? :sunny:

I mean, accept it and ride with it. Don't compound it, and that's important. Zen is about acceptance and viewing things as texture. The meltdowns are bad, but try not to make it worse. And other people should give you space, and although they may need some space too, you are a full-fledged human being, of course you are! , even with meltdowns. You have the same rights and consideration as all of us.

And the other track, is to experiment with methods so that the meltdowns are less often. Maybe more frequent shorter breaks, something like that.



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23 Apr 2014, 7:59 pm

a little of topic but on the subject of tantrums and meltdowns is it just me or do autistic behaviors become worse when you get drunk when ever i drink meltdowns are usually easier to trigger but then maybe its probably more to do with the situation than the drink



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23 Apr 2014, 8:23 pm

Is she off her rocker? I wasn't diagnosed until I was 29, so I have no idea where she claims that those on the ASD are diagnosed by 6 years old. Complete and utter cow manure.



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1) I would have been diagnosed by 6 if I was TRULY Autistic
2) Aspergers is not even a diagnosis
3) If I was autistic and I heard a noise, I would curl up into a ball and not move till it was over.
4) She doubts it and wont believe it till their is proof cause she says I need to be on Lithium. Fiance told her I have been on pretty much every medication and she said their is more out their.
*******oh my goodness. The stuff my fiance told me have me believing this lady is a crazy lady for sure! Here is more of what she said:
5)She believes I am lying about the WHOLE process. Since people with Bipolar are known for lying, cheating etc. going to great lengths to make them believe that I got an Aspergers diagnosis because I have not had any PROOF for them too see. Thats why she said she WONT believe the diagnosis or that I actually went to get it done till their is proof and that THEY should not believe me either. I traveled out of my way (30) minutes to get to this place three different times and two of those times my fiance and his mom TOOK ME. Yes I made the whole thing up hahahahaha, she crazy!
6) My "made up" scenario is a way for me to "convince" everyone that I do not need medication. (most people with bipolar tend to avoid medication) I have been on meds since I was 16. Why would I stop taking them now and go to great lengths to do so?
7) If I was autistic I couldnt be a good mother, or a mother at all. (she is freaking stupid, I am a good mother because child development has been my special interests since I was 5 YEARS OLD!! ! I know more than most experts)
8)She said the tests they took was PROOF that I was bipolar. You have to score a 6 or higher. I got a 7 on my fiances and a 9 on his moms. IDIOT! sooo many diagnosis share similar symptom/traits.
9) She says people with autism DO NOT lash out during a meltdown and INSTEAD go into their heads and become immobile. I cant be autistic and violent because that doesnt happen. (I only freak out on people when its a social situation and I cant handle misunderstandings. I do not attack people, I feel I am desperate in attempting to make the other person understand and it often turns into a violent forceful act that I can quickly redirect and put on myself. I hate hurting people cause its not my intention and i am learning to walk away before my meltdown gets to that point. Though I will often go to "my place" without warning which leaves me throwing fits like a 5 year old on the floor or bed till exhausted. Screaming is also a huge part of my process. I lose control so if your egging me on or part of the problem, yes I may end up getting physical with you if I perceive you as a threat)

What I hate MOST about this lady is her *proof* is a sheet of paper ment to be used for the person who has the issue to fill out and she said "the best thing about bipolar disorder is that you dont need the person to actually be HERE to diagnose them" WHAT A JOKE!! ! How dare she. She is not only using a stereotypical definition on what Autism is but she is ALSO being stereotypical about ALL bipolar people. My fiance is convinced she knows nothing and he says he only wants to see her again so he can show her my diagnosis papers and be like "BAM b***h" lol. I am not sure how his mom is feeling about this lady because he said he left 15 minutes before his mom so he could get to work on time. So insane that people like this have a license! ***********


ok, i had my share of bad counslers and they sounded a lot like her, but, spite how ignorant she is, she raises one good point.

there are other explanations. autism may be the boot that fits. but its important to explore other possible things.

2nd, shes wrong about a lot of things, most autistics are known for lashing out during a meltdown, and many people with aspergers (especially girls) dont get diagnosed until much later.

you should talk to a Psych. not a counsler not a psychiatrist, a PSYCHOLOGIST who works 1 on 1 with those on the spectrum. everyone else only knows what the textbook says, and sometimes, not even the text book, just based on RainMan or very very severe cases.


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23 Apr 2014, 9:01 pm

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Is she off her rocker? I wasn't diagnosed until I was 29, so I have no idea where she claims that those on the ASD are diagnosed by 6 years old. Complete and utter cow manure.


same here me too just this year in fact

this woman is an idiot



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24 Apr 2014, 9:41 am

kazma wrote:
a little of topic but on the subject of tantrums and meltdowns is it just me or do autistic behaviors become worse when you get drunk when ever i drink meltdowns are usually easier to trigger but then maybe its probably more to do with the situation than the drink


People become more vulnerable when they drink and we are already sensitive to things so I assume that even though it makes anyone feel good, I think we are more sensitive to our surroundings without being as conscious about it as we would if we were sober. If that makes any sense but this is just my theory or opinion so who knows.



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24 Apr 2014, 9:42 am

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Is she off her rocker? I wasn't diagnosed until I was 29, so I have no idea where she claims that those on the ASD are diagnosed by 6 years old. Complete and utter cow manure.


I know the things she says makes me wonder how many people she has steered wrong during grieving sessions. Scary.



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24 Apr 2014, 9:51 am

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inachildsmind wrote:

1) I would have been diagnosed by 6 if I was TRULY Autistic
2) Aspergers is not even a diagnosis
3) If I was autistic and I heard a noise, I would curl up into a ball and not move till it was over.
4) She doubts it and wont believe it till their is proof cause she says I need to be on Lithium. Fiance told her I have been on pretty much every medication and she said their is more out their.
*******oh my goodness. The stuff my fiance told me have me believing this lady is a crazy lady for sure! Here is more of what she said:
5)She believes I am lying about the WHOLE process. Since people with Bipolar are known for lying, cheating etc. going to great lengths to make them believe that I got an Aspergers diagnosis because I have not had any PROOF for them too see. Thats why she said she WONT believe the diagnosis or that I actually went to get it done till their is proof and that THEY should not believe me either. I traveled out of my way (30) minutes to get to this place three different times and two of those times my fiance and his mom TOOK ME. Yes I made the whole thing up hahahahaha, she crazy!
6) My "made up" scenario is a way for me to "convince" everyone that I do not need medication. (most people with bipolar tend to avoid medication) I have been on meds since I was 16. Why would I stop taking them now and go to great lengths to do so?
7) If I was autistic I couldnt be a good mother, or a mother at all. (she is freaking stupid, I am a good mother because child development has been my special interests since I was 5 YEARS OLD!! ! I know more than most experts)
8)She said the tests they took was PROOF that I was bipolar. You have to score a 6 or higher. I got a 7 on my fiances and a 9 on his moms. IDIOT! sooo many diagnosis share similar symptom/traits.
9) She says people with autism DO NOT lash out during a meltdown and INSTEAD go into their heads and become immobile. I cant be autistic and violent because that doesnt happen. (I only freak out on people when its a social situation and I cant handle misunderstandings. I do not attack people, I feel I am desperate in attempting to make the other person understand and it often turns into a violent forceful act that I can quickly redirect and put on myself. I hate hurting people cause its not my intention and i am learning to walk away before my meltdown gets to that point. Though I will often go to "my place" without warning which leaves me throwing fits like a 5 year old on the floor or bed till exhausted. Screaming is also a huge part of my process. I lose control so if your egging me on or part of the problem, yes I may end up getting physical with you if I perceive you as a threat)

What I hate MOST about this lady is her *proof* is a sheet of paper ment to be used for the person who has the issue to fill out and she said "the best thing about bipolar disorder is that you dont need the person to actually be HERE to diagnose them" WHAT A JOKE!! ! How dare she. She is not only using a stereotypical definition on what Autism is but she is ALSO being stereotypical about ALL bipolar people. My fiance is convinced she knows nothing and he says he only wants to see her again so he can show her my diagnosis papers and be like "BAM b***h" lol. I am not sure how his mom is feeling about this lady because he said he left 15 minutes before his mom so he could get to work on time. So insane that people like this have a license! ***********


ok, i had my share of bad counslers and they sounded a lot like her, but, spite how ignorant she is, she raises one good point.

there are other explanations. autism may be the boot that fits. but its important to explore other possible things.

2nd, shes wrong about a lot of things, most autistics are known for lashing out during a meltdown, and many people with aspergers (especially girls) dont get diagnosed until much later.

you should talk to a Psych. not a counsler not a psychiatrist, a PSYCHOLOGIST who works 1 on 1 with those on the spectrum. everyone else only knows what the textbook says, and sometimes, not even the text book, just based on RainMan or very very severe cases.


I have been exploring other possibilities since I was 16. I have not stopped fighting and have been diagnosed many times over and given meds after meds after meds. With nothing working for me. They even checked me for tumors, and at one point thought I had one but then got the contrast done and it showed nothing, so I have thought of every possiblitiy and I was so tired of feeling so different, lonely and having these outbursts that I could not even understand. Since I have gotten this diagnosis and been off all my meds, I have only had TWO meltdowns this month. TWO!! !! ! That is suuuuuuuuuuch and improvement and it is because I do have a Psychologist who specializes in Autism. She is amazing and if I never got this diagnosis I never would have known to research for someone like her. Now that I have she has taught me about myself and why I get the way I do and how to recognize everything and it has been such an easy month this month. I finally feel free because this is the best thing that has fit ALL my troubles since I was a kid. So I agree that I needed to seek out a psychologist, the person who said all this stuff in my post is a grievince counselor that my fiances mom started going to. I will never see her and I think they are wasting their money so I set up an appointment for both of them to come and meet my lady and she can inform them that I am indeed NOT bipolar. In fact she is appalled that anyone ever labeled me Bipolar.



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24 Apr 2014, 9:53 am

AardvarkGoodSwimmer wrote:
With the tantrums and meltdowns, what if you experiment with a couple of different zen approaches? :sunny:

I mean, accept it and ride with it. Don't compound it, and that's important. Zen is about acceptance and viewing things as texture. The meltdowns are bad, but try not to make it worse. And other people should give you space, and although they may need some space too, you are a full-fledged human being, of course you are! , even with meltdowns. You have the same rights and consideration as all of us.

And the other track, is to experiment with methods so that the meltdowns are less often. Maybe more frequent shorter breaks, something like that.


I do not really understand...



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24 Apr 2014, 8:38 pm

I mean like the idea, if your car breaks down during a vacation, that can actually end up being the highlight of the vacation.

Now, I know meltdowns are bad. But my idea is, don't make them worse by being harshly critical of yourself. I think the term in psychology is 'catastrophizing.'

In addition, there might be tactics or skills you could teach yourself to moderate meltdowns. For example, the times you very much feel under attack and are highly motivated to get physical, how something like a cross-hand reach where you grab the person's diagonally opposite shoulder? This gives you some protection, and it might be perceived as more defensive and not aggressive. I present this as a fall-back position.



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24 Apr 2014, 10:14 pm

AardvarkGoodSwimmer wrote:
I mean like the idea, if your car breaks down during a vacation, that can actually end up being the highlight of the vacation.

Now, I know meltdowns are bad. But my idea is, don't make them worse by being harshly critical of yourself. I think the term in psychology is 'catastrophizing.'

In addition, there might be tactics or skills you could teach yourself to moderate meltdowns. For example, the times you very much feel under attack and are highly motivated to get physical, how something like a cross-hand reach where you grab the person's diagonally opposite shoulder? This gives you some protection, and it might be perceived as more defensive and not aggressive. I present this as a fall-back position.


Interesting, I wouldnt really know where to start. I have noticed patterns in my fiances face, he seems to taunt me, or I think he is, so for the first time the other day I saw that expression that he gives before I have a meltdown and I just shouted "NOT GOING TO THIS TIME!" and it worked. I did some jumping jacks to blow off the anxiety building up and I laughed the moment off. Is that what you mean by making it the highlight? Like laughing it off instead of letting it define me? This is all new to me, I just got this diagnosis so I am using things now that I never use to and they are working! So I am "all ears" for some more advice if anyone is willing. My biggest thing is sensory. I get very sensitive to sounds and light so if their is a social issue I am dealing with, then I am more likely to explode even if their is nothing "personal" going on that offends them or me. I just cant carry on conversation when everything is crazy around me.



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24 Apr 2014, 10:21 pm

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Is she off her rocker? I wasn't diagnosed until I was 29, so I have no idea where she claims that those on the ASD are diagnosed by 6 years old. Complete and utter cow manure.
I think she came up with that because in the US six years old is the cutoff age when insurances will pay for a diagnosis. If you are seven or above they won't pay a dime. So the logic she might be using is that if the insurance company won't pay for a diagnosis after the age of six than obviously all Autistic people would have to have been diagnosed by the age of six or apparently they can't be Autistic otherwise the insurance companies would be willing to foot the diagnostic bill. I can't speak for her but that could be a possibility of what she might be thinking.


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jayjayuk wrote:
Is she off her rocker? I wasn't diagnosed until I was 29, so I have no idea where she claims that those on the ASD are diagnosed by 6 years old. Complete and utter cow manure.
I think she came up with that because in the US six years old is the cutoff age when insurances will pay for a diagnosis. If you are seven or above they won't pay a dime. So the logic she might be using is that if the insurance company won't pay for a diagnosis after the age of six than obviously all Autistic people would have to have been diagnosed by the age of six or apparently they can't be Autistic otherwise the insurance companies would be willing to foot the diagnostic bill. I can't speak for her but that could be a possibility of what she might be thinking.


She told my fiance and his mom that their was no way I was autistic because someone would have picked up on the SEVERE symptoms during Elementary school. It has nothing to do with anything except she just THINKS she knows all about autism. Which I had parent teach conferences for my social issues. Everyone just came to a conclusion that I was shy and restless.



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inachildsmind wrote:
ZombieBrideXD wrote:
inachildsmind wrote:

1) I would have been diagnosed by 6 if I was TRULY Autistic
2) Aspergers is not even a diagnosis
3) If I was autistic and I heard a noise, I would curl up into a ball and not move till it was over.
4) She doubts it and wont believe it till their is proof cause she says I need to be on Lithium. Fiance told her I have been on pretty much every medication and she said their is more out their.
*******oh my goodness. The stuff my fiance told me have me believing this lady is a crazy lady for sure! Here is more of what she said:
5)She believes I am lying about the WHOLE process. Since people with Bipolar are known for lying, cheating etc. going to great lengths to make them believe that I got an Aspergers diagnosis because I have not had any PROOF for them too see. Thats why she said she WONT believe the diagnosis or that I actually went to get it done till their is proof and that THEY should not believe me either. I traveled out of my way (30) minutes to get to this place three different times and two of those times my fiance and his mom TOOK ME. Yes I made the whole thing up hahahahaha, she crazy!
6) My "made up" scenario is a way for me to "convince" everyone that I do not need medication. (most people with bipolar tend to avoid medication) I have been on meds since I was 16. Why would I stop taking them now and go to great lengths to do so?
7) If I was autistic I couldnt be a good mother, or a mother at all. (she is freaking stupid, I am a good mother because child development has been my special interests since I was 5 YEARS OLD!! ! I know more than most experts)
8)She said the tests they took was PROOF that I was bipolar. You have to score a 6 or higher. I got a 7 on my fiances and a 9 on his moms. IDIOT! sooo many diagnosis share similar symptom/traits.
9) She says people with autism DO NOT lash out during a meltdown and INSTEAD go into their heads and become immobile. I cant be autistic and violent because that doesnt happen. (I only freak out on people when its a social situation and I cant handle misunderstandings. I do not attack people, I feel I am desperate in attempting to make the other person understand and it often turns into a violent forceful act that I can quickly redirect and put on myself. I hate hurting people cause its not my intention and i am learning to walk away before my meltdown gets to that point. Though I will often go to "my place" without warning which leaves me throwing fits like a 5 year old on the floor or bed till exhausted. Screaming is also a huge part of my process. I lose control so if your egging me on or part of the problem, yes I may end up getting physical with you if I perceive you as a threat)

What I hate MOST about this lady is her *proof* is a sheet of paper ment to be used for the person who has the issue to fill out and she said "the best thing about bipolar disorder is that you dont need the person to actually be HERE to diagnose them" WHAT A JOKE!! ! How dare she. She is not only using a stereotypical definition on what Autism is but she is ALSO being stereotypical about ALL bipolar people. My fiance is convinced she knows nothing and he says he only wants to see her again so he can show her my diagnosis papers and be like "BAM b***h" lol. I am not sure how his mom is feeling about this lady because he said he left 15 minutes before his mom so he could get to work on time. So insane that people like this have a license! ***********


ok, i had my share of bad counslers and they sounded a lot like her, but, spite how ignorant she is, she raises one good point.

there are other explanations. autism may be the boot that fits. but its important to explore other possible things.

2nd, shes wrong about a lot of things, most autistics are known for lashing out during a meltdown, and many people with aspergers (especially girls) dont get diagnosed until much later.

you should talk to a Psych. not a counsler not a psychiatrist, a PSYCHOLOGIST who works 1 on 1 with those on the spectrum. everyone else only knows what the textbook says, and sometimes, not even the text book, just based on RainMan or very very severe cases.


I have been exploring other possibilities since I was 16. I have not stopped fighting and have been diagnosed many times over and given meds after meds after meds. With nothing working for me. They even checked me for tumors, and at one point thought I had one but then got the contrast done and it showed nothing, so I have thought of every possiblitiy and I was so tired of feeling so different, lonely and having these outbursts that I could not even understand. Since I have gotten this diagnosis and been off all my meds, I have only had TWO meltdowns this month. TWO!! !! ! That is suuuuuuuuuuch and improvement and it is because I do have a Psychologist who specializes in Autism. She is amazing and if I never got this diagnosis I never would have known to research for someone like her. Now that I have she has taught me about myself and why I get the way I do and how to recognize everything and it has been such an easy month this month. I finally feel free because this is the best thing that has fit ALL my troubles since I was a kid. So I agree that I needed to seek out a psychologist, the person who said all this stuff in my post is a grievince counselor that my fiances mom started going to. I will never see her and I think they are wasting their money so I set up an appointment for both of them to come and meet my lady and she can inform them that I am indeed NOT bipolar. In fact she is appalled that anyone ever labeled me Bipolar.



OHHHHHH i see, you got the type of counsler that diagnoses someone with all the same thing.

i got another psychologist that specialized in Learning disabilities, she wanted to diagnose me with Dyslexia, Dyscaliculia, NVLD, ADHD AND OCD!! i mean who needs that many Diagnoses! i got tested and NON of them fit, only ASD does,


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25 Apr 2014, 1:30 am

you can have asd and also things like Dyslexia and Dyscaliculia though i have them as for that "someone would have picked up on the SEVERE symptoms during Elementary school" that is wrong as it wasn't as well known about like it is now



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you can have asd and also things like Dyslexia and Dyscaliculia though i have them as for that "someone would have picked up on the SEVERE symptoms during Elementary school" that is wrong as it wasn't as well known about like it is now



This. You can have another condition and not have it fit because it doesn't explain everything else about you you are dealing with. I was diagnosed with ADD as a kid and my mom knew I had more than that because the treatment for it wasn't working. I heard of someone else with an ASD being diagnosed with OCD but he still wondered why he was dealing with other issues OCD does not describe.


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