Supernatural experiences - an aspie thing?

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10 Nov 2014, 1:02 pm

Good one, Aunt Blabby. There are limits to human knowledge, especially in regard to metaphysical experiences. (I prefer metaphysical to supernatural, though use it to refer to the same set of experience). I too have had experiences that cannot be explained by current paradigms.



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10 Nov 2014, 7:03 pm

I still can find no pertinent alternative explanation for when a day after my dad passed away, both me and my mother were woken out of sleep by his voice yelling [simultaneously to me and mom] "HEY BRUCE!! !" [to me, and "HEY HONEY!! !" to my mom]. or when a day after my mom's burial, the whole basement of my parents' house erupting in a palpable banging thumping cacophony until I shouted "OK, I HEAR YOU!! !" at which the noise stopped. for some background to this phenomenon, I recommend the book "hello from heaven."



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10 Nov 2014, 10:39 pm

FMX wrote:
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I believe that beliefs are tools which we use to attempt to understand reality...


Well said. I agree with your thinking about models and the limitations of science. Therefore I am not as quick as most self-described "skeptics" to dismiss everything that cannot be reproduced under controlled conditions. However, I'm not quick to believe those things, either. (I think that makes me a "skeptic" in the true sense of the word: "a person inclined to question or doubt all accepted opinions".)

A good example is Near Death Experiences, which I was fascinated with as a teenager. It was probably the closest I've had to an aspie special interest. At the time I was convinced beyond reasonable doubt that they're real. Now that I'm (even more) skeptical and scientific in my thinking I'm not so convinced anymore, however I still have to consider it quite plausible. I do not "believe in" NDEs in a religious sense of the word. However, I'm willing to go on record saying that I consider that, on balance of probabilities, the supernatural explanation is about as likely as any other that I've read about (or as unlikely, if you prefer!)

As for your second paragraph, these are good examples of things that are slightly odd, but certainly not in any need of explanation. The chances of you being a Capricorn are roughly 1 in 12, so it's hardly an amazing coincidence.


Thanks FMX! NDEs are indeed very fascinating. Interestingly, certain sorts of psychedelics (and especially N,N DMT and it's oral form, Ayahuasca) apparently produce effects extremely similar to ND Experiences, along with a whole host of other odd and interesting effects. Not that I speak from experience, of course... Drugs are bad, m'kay? :wink:

Anyway, yes, I agree that my examples are certainly not clearly supernatural, and that there are many possible prosaic explanations. Certainly nothing on par with auntblabby's anecdotes (which are fascinating). Just for the record though, the really weird thing about the dream instance wasn't that we were both Capricorns, but that our birthdays were within a day of one another, and that I apparently said as much in her dream, despite neither of us knowing the other's birth-date beforehand. Anyway, I agree that it could be simple coincidence, but it does seem quite unlikely.


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11 Nov 2014, 1:14 pm

Many of my NT friends have had paranormal experiences.


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11 Nov 2014, 4:10 pm

I wonder if conservatism or liberalism is a determining factor in whether a person is amenable to belief in the supernatural or not.



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11 Nov 2014, 4:20 pm

My guess would be no, though the belief may take broadly different forms, in that possibly very conservative people may relate better to the supernatural concept of God as defined by the establishment churches. Less conservative people are often more open to the unknown aspects of the supernatural. No doubt exceptions exist in both groups. However in general conservatives are more resistant to the new and prefer the status quo that others have established in the past. This is the opposite to those who can think about these things and make the imaginative leap into pondering the great unknown and inexplicable experience, suspending all fixed judgments. There are real personality differences there.



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11 Nov 2014, 4:23 pm

I have never had any supernatural things happen to me... not even when I was a young child.


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11 Nov 2014, 4:25 pm

B19 wrote:
My guess would be no, though the belief may take broadly different forms, in that possibly very conservative people may relate better to the supernatural concept of God as defined by the establishment churches. Less conservative people are often more open to the unknown aspects of the supernatural. No doubt exceptions exist in both groups. However in general conservatives are more resistant to the new and prefer the status quo that others have established in the past. This is the opposite to those who can think about these things and make the imaginative leap into pondering the great unknown and inexplicable experience, suspending all fixed judgments. There are real personality differences there.

I was thinking of neurosurgeon dr. eben alexander [author of "proof of heaven"] who hails from a very conservative area but seems to be far less conservative than his background would suggest. his conservative colleagues have basically shunned him because he spoke his beliefs which differed from theirs.



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11 Nov 2014, 4:38 pm

I had an insane supernatural experience a few months ago.



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11 Nov 2014, 7:37 pm

I think I've had one today. It's 1.30pm on Wednesday in New Zealand. I still actively grieve for the losses of two magnificent animals.

When I got up this morning, the first thought I had was: strange that we don't honour the lives of magnificent animals by sending flowers and cards as we do for people. I thought of it on an off all morning; not a single flower was brought by anyone (other than me). I have never had such a thought before today.

And then a courier drove up just after noon and delivered the most magnificent arrangement of flowers from the most expensive florist in Auckland where I live - they exceptionally exquisite, truly magnificent - in honour of a very special creature, the wondercat, departed four days ago.

Synchronicity, anyone?



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12 Nov 2014, 6:11 am

Jabberwokky wrote:
Some of you may have heard of the saying that "there is no such thing as a coincidence". Carl Jung spoke of 'synchronicity' where coincidences occur for no obvious reason but are a perfectly real phenomena. The only problem for most people is that they cannot be explained by normal rational scientific means. Of course, we can say they don't exist, don't happen, area figment of our imagination. Yes, we can and we do, but for me, these things happen far too much for me to take that view.

Actually those two things don't happen for no reason but are somehow linked. I haven't read Jung in a long time but Synchronicity has to do with how we are connected to nature.

Reading about this stuff usually triggers mania in me though.


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12 Nov 2014, 12:46 pm

EzraS wrote:
I think people on the spectrum tend to be more aware of things others aren't. Different sounds, changes in temperature etc and mentally cataloging minute things, that give us more of a sixth sense felling.

I like that theory.
From what I know "sixth sense" is really common in ASD, whatever the reason, relation to schizotypal etc
I am personally prone to those kinds of experiences which I find perfectly amusing as I am an atheist. I do have strong spirituality as some would call it, sensitivity, whatever, but I don't believe in anything transcedent, I think it's only my brain. But sometimes those experiences scare me a lot.



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12 Nov 2014, 1:41 pm

I read of a Renaissance painting technique, called espuma or smoke. The audience is perplexed in their search for a detail which was never really drawn into the painting, to begin with.

In the movie, "Inception," people infiltrate dreams. They imagine that there is a safe, in the dreamer's mind, where secrets are kept. They never particularly say what is in there. The dreamer fills in the blank.

Hucksters win you over, by saying there is a mystery, never to solve it. You do all the work, by imagining a solution.

In my dreams of a place beyond the veil, everything was coordinated and made perfect sense.

I would never ask you to oblige me, or to make yourself less skeptical, by imaging a situation in which rules no longer apply.