Autism Service Dog for Adult
eric76 wrote:
A major problem with fake service dogs is that they make people become less tolerant of real service dogs. Fake service dogs are not carefully selected for the job and are rarely well trained. As a result, they are much more likely to misbehave or cause other disruptions.
Another thing to remember is that only service dogs and in some cases miniature horses count as service animals. There is no protection whatever, to the best of my knowledge, that any business have to put up with any other animal and in some cases such as restaurants it may be illegal to even permit them at all.
Fake service dogs are a real pet peeve of mine. Any bozo who wrongly complains his dog is a service dog should spend a week in jail without the dog.
Another thing to remember is that only service dogs and in some cases miniature horses count as service animals. There is no protection whatever, to the best of my knowledge, that any business have to put up with any other animal and in some cases such as restaurants it may be illegal to even permit them at all.
Fake service dogs are a real pet peeve of mine. Any bozo who wrongly complains his dog is a service dog should spend a week in jail without the dog.
I take your point. My friend was completely blind and had a real service dog, the kind that wears that square halter and won't let her cross on a red light. That was the friend that wanted to get me a small dog from the SPCA and train the dog as a "service dog" for my autism. Believe me, she knew the difference. What she had in mind was a dog that would help me mostly in the house - get me out of bed when the alarm goes, pester me into the shower, stuff like that. There would also be an element of protection in the dog that would sort of scoot people away from me outside. Her dog could do that, it only takes a gentle poke of the dog's nose. But we didn't do it.
The problem seems to be the use of the word "service." We need to be able to distinguish Seeing Eye Dogs (TM) from highly trained and legally authorized service dogs, and then a humble little mutt who makes life more possible. I would like to be able to be clear when I say something, so I don't annoy people unnecessarily.
Phemto wrote:
That said, maybe there needs to be a review of those laws. In the way the they're are written, I'm seeing some of the old visible disability/invisible disability biases. If having a emotional support dog makes the difference between being able to enter a given situation or not, or makes the difference between going nonverbal or not, or prevents public meltdowns, I find it difficult to buy the argument that it is providing less of a service to you than a seeing eye dog.
I do not think emotional support animals should be given full allowance in public places. A service dog has to be trained to do a task. If in that situation, the service dog was trained to appropriately respond and help when the individual has public meltdowns, then it'd be a SD and not simply for emotional support. Look up "Autism Service Dog". That's a thing, but it's different than just emotional support.
Well I don't think I am a bozo.
and I do know how to care for a dog and I do understand the commitment and possible difficulties.
I just sometimes think having a pet would help keep me calm. I often look after my parents dog when they are away. Perhaps I was wrong to suggest a service dog, I appreciate there are others in more dire need than I. Perhaps I was just being a big cheeky about the jacket.... I know my landlord is against a permanent pet, so it's not a possibility until a) I move and b) I don't spend all day at work....
Sorry if I offended anyone...I'm good at that! ![]()
Seahorse wrote:
Well I don't think I am a bozo.
and I do know how to care for a dog and I do understand the commitment and possible difficulties.
I just sometimes think having a pet would help keep me calm. I often look after my parents dog when they are away. Perhaps I was wrong to suggest a service dog, I appreciate there are others in more dire need than I. Perhaps I was just being a big cheeky about the jacket.... I know my landlord is against a permanent pet, so it's not a possibility until a) I move and b) I don't spend all day at work....
Sorry if I offended anyone...I'm good at that!
I just sometimes think having a pet would help keep me calm. I often look after my parents dog when they are away. Perhaps I was wrong to suggest a service dog, I appreciate there are others in more dire need than I. Perhaps I was just being a big cheeky about the jacket.... I know my landlord is against a permanent pet, so it's not a possibility until a) I move and b) I don't spend all day at work....
Sorry if I offended anyone...I'm good at that!
At least from my readings, I don't think you offended anyone. I think what may have been happening was an iterative clarification of just what kind of dog is needed. And, the conversation might have pointed out the need for emotional support dogs that are highly trained & legally recognized, since not all needs are visible or physical.
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Logston wrote:
Phemto wrote:
That said, maybe there needs to be a review of those laws. In the way the they're are written, I'm seeing some of the old visible disability/invisible disability biases. If having a emotional support dog makes the difference between being able to enter a given situation or not, or makes the difference between going nonverbal or not, or prevents public meltdowns, I find it difficult to buy the argument that it is providing less of a service to you than a seeing eye dog.
I do not think emotional support animals should be given full allowance in public places. A service dog has to be trained to do a task. If in that situation, the service dog was trained to appropriately respond and help when the individual has public meltdowns, then it'd be a SD and not simply for emotional support. Look up "Autism Service Dog". That's a thing, but it's different than just emotional support.
I checked out the ASDA descriptions, and I think we got hung up on nomenclature. The only physical component of the ASDA dog's job that I can find seems to be as an anchor to tether the child to. A suitcase could do much the same job. Everything else you and ASDA describes fits my previous description of an emotional support animal.
I think we have a nomenclature issue here. I never argued that a emotional support animal shouldn't be certified and highly trained to function appropriately in whatever situation an AS person is likely to be in, or to respond appropriately to that person's special needs. It looks like those dogs do exist. Yay.
Phemto wrote:
Logston wrote:
Phemto wrote:
That said, maybe there needs to be a review of those laws. In the way the they're are written, I'm seeing some of the old visible disability/invisible disability biases. If having a emotional support dog makes the difference between being able to enter a given situation or not, or makes the difference between going nonverbal or not, or prevents public meltdowns, I find it difficult to buy the argument that it is providing less of a service to you than a seeing eye dog.
I do not think emotional support animals should be given full allowance in public places. A service dog has to be trained to do a task. If in that situation, the service dog was trained to appropriately respond and help when the individual has public meltdowns, then it'd be a SD and not simply for emotional support. Look up "Autism Service Dog". That's a thing, but it's different than just emotional support.
I checked out the ASDA descriptions, and I think we got hung up on nomenclature. The only physical component of the ASDA dog's job that I can find seems to be as an anchor to tether the child to. A suitcase could do much the same job. Everything else you and ASDA describes fits my previous description of an emotional support animal.
I think we have a nomenclature issue here. I never argued that a emotional support animal shouldn't be certified and highly trained to function appropriately in whatever situation an AS person is likely to be in, or to respond appropriately to that person's special needs. It looks like those dogs do exist. Yay.
I don't think I'm fully understanding you. They aren't the same thing.
Logston wrote:
Phemto wrote:
Logston wrote:
Phemto wrote:
That said, maybe there needs to be a review of those laws. In the way the they're are written, I'm seeing some of the old visible disability/invisible disability biases. If having a emotional support dog makes the difference between being able to enter a given situation or not, or makes the difference between going nonverbal or not, or prevents public meltdowns, I find it difficult to buy the argument that it is providing less of a service to you than a seeing eye dog.
I do not think emotional support animals should be given full allowance in public places. A service dog has to be trained to do a task. If in that situation, the service dog was trained to appropriately respond and help when the individual has public meltdowns, then it'd be a SD and not simply for emotional support. Look up "Autism Service Dog". That's a thing, but it's different than just emotional support.
I checked out the ASDA descriptions, and I think we got hung up on nomenclature. The only physical component of the ASDA dog's job that I can find seems to be as an anchor to tether the child to. A suitcase could do much the same job. Everything else you and ASDA describes fits my previous description of an emotional support animal.
I think we have a nomenclature issue here. I never argued that a emotional support animal shouldn't be certified and highly trained to function appropriately in whatever situation an AS person is likely to be in, or to respond appropriately to that person's special needs. It looks like those dogs do exist. Yay.
I don't think I'm fully understanding you. They aren't the same thing.
Hence the "nomenclature issue."
Phemto wrote:
I checked out the ASDA descriptions, and I think we got hung up on nomenclature. The only physical component of the ASDA dog's job that I can find seems to be as an anchor to tether the child to. A suitcase could do much the same job. Everything else you and ASDA describes fits my previous description of an emotional support animal.
The ASDA website is not very in-depth. Responding to handler in the middle of meltdown by physically stopping them from hitting themselves and applying deep pressure to calm? Alerting when self-harm is happening or if a panic attack is about to happen? Leading the handler in distress elsewhere? Reminding the handler of important things that they need to do? All physical components that are nowhere in the description of an ESA. There are plenty of things SDs can do for invisible disabilities.

