Studies that link Autism to Vaccinations.

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Hey skibum! Thanks, yeah, been out seeing the world. Didn't know I changed my cat though. Thought about it but decided not to. It looks different?

Oh wow, maybe it's me then. Perhaps it's just been that long since I have been away as well, maybe I just forgot what she or he looked like. But I do really like your posts and really enjoy reading them. It's good to be back. I will be away again, (leaving tonight) to the land of no internet for awhile but i will come back soon.

I enjoy your posts, too. Have a pleasant journey. Feel free to PM me when you get back.

Thank you so much.

I'm about 99.9% certain you already know the following (that's some smooth marginalizing/chuckling at/minimizing there), so I'll just say this for other people reading the thread.

Even so much as pretending any of us feel this general idea is based on just one person, on just one internet forum, and one post is so far beyond the beyond I don't even know what end to pick it up by. For me specifically: yes, in this thread I was speaking to just one person, and answering just that one person. However, I thought I made it clear that this is an ongoing issue. Just in case somehow that was missed, I'm being more specific now.

A quick Google search under "environmental toxins autism" yielded, for me, 421,000 results. I'm assuming for the rest of you, it would be about the same?

"Autism vaccines" yielded 6,920,000 results.

Collectively this attitude certainly has some ground...n'est ce pas? Any one person in that collective could say, "It wasn't me!" (And apparently, right here, one is.) And boy howdy! Wouldn't the person that person was arguing with sound just plain silly and dumb...? An argument method which, if you'll pardon my saying, effectively sidesteps an obvious issue and helps nothing and nobody (JMO, unsupported and more based on observation).

But I thought I'd point out the very, very, very obvious - that it's a collection of many people who keep ideas like these going. (And that no one person can say "Well, it wasn't ME..." unless EVERYBODY can say so...and THAT would really be silly...any one person saying "It wasn't me, it was those 6,919,999 other guys!" )

Hope that makes things clearer, from my end.

I admit I'm a little astonished that I would have to explain that but I don't want to be misunderstood, and so am in fact explaining it, hopefully satisfactorily.

I have autism and my daughter has autism. It's not due to vaccines. The literature has proven it for me over and over and over again. When people suggest otherwise (even in the face of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary) it's upsetting.

I have another daughter with an extremely rare disorder. Only about 300 people have ever had this syndrome since it was first described back in the 30's. She has been through more surgeries and suffering in her first three years than I have in my entire lifetime. Believe me, I understand the need to find an explanation or a cause for something.

The attack on science here concerns me. There are definitely flaws in some research but I'd trust it over anyone's gut feeling any day of the week. There are a lot more errors (or fudging) based on people's assumptions or guesses than you'll ever find in a scientific journal.

Ashariel, when people screw up in the count by fives thread, the next user continues with what would have been the correct answer. For example, if I posted 9 by accident the next user would usually post 15 and move along. They don't make a huge deal out of it like we do with the issues here. It's kind of nice.

Point taken, and I apologize for making a joke about something that is clearly a sensitive issue for many people here. It was a tasteless joke, and I am sorry.

NowhereWoman, I agree with your points as well. We have veered away from the important topic at hand, and out of respect for those who are affected by this issue more personally than I am, I will refrain from expressing my personal opinions on this topic in the future.

Best wishes to all - Skibum, hope your time away is enjoyable, it's been nice seeing you here!

Oh, so the MMR did cause me to have Asperger's all along. So I was born NT, an NT, ready to have normal social skills through school and not have been the class dunce...until along came the doctor, stuck a needle of curse into me, which killed half my brain and instead of dying of MM or R I got a lifetime of having Asperger's.

How come the stupid poisonous vaccine didn't cause ANYONE ELSE in my family or school to have ASD???

WHY THE f**k AM I SO f*****g UNLUCKY????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Please don't do that. That's why I like WP. I may get upset but I need/want to hear other points of view.

I have never told anyone to vaccinate or not vaccinate a child. I have never told anyone that their child's vaccination caused the Autism. All I have said, once again, is that I AM NOT ENTIRELY CONVINCED THAT ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS, INCLUDING VACCINES (NOT EXCLUSIVELY VACCINES) MIGHT NOT BE AFFECTING OUR NEUROLOGY.

I believe that it is my right as a human being in a free country to have that belief. My belief is not a personal attack on you or your child. If you know your child's Autism was not caused by an environmental factor then I believe you and I will never argue with you about it. I don't believe my Autism was caused by an environmental factor. But I do believe that not every single case of Autism on the planet has the same cause. That is MY PERSONAL BELIEF. It does not have to be anyone else's. I completely respect and understand that other people have other beliefs about this. I am not asking or forcing anyone to change what they believe or to adopt my belief. And you might all think I am wrong. That is fine, but that does not take away my right to believe as I believe. I believe the Ku Klux Klan is wrong and I am colored. But I don't go and attack them and tell them what to believe and not believe. No one knows the exact cause of every single case of Autism. So I think that it is not too much to ask that even if you think I am wrong, you don't attack me and tell me that I am spreading all kinds of false information. I am not spreading any information. I am just saying that in my personal mind I am not convinced that some people are not affected buy these environmental factors. Not once have I ever said that everyone's Autism was caused by a vaccine.

Please stop reading all kinds of extra stuff into that statement. I did not say that vaccines caused the Autism in your child. I agree with Ashariel. I will never ever state my personal opinion about anything on WP again. Sorry I offended the entire planet with my statement.

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I'm with you 100% because science is never settled.

I just don't understand why people get so incredibly outraged when others choose not to vaccinate. That's on them.

Get more angry at the doctors who are going to Africa getting ebola and bringing it back to create more vaccines.
You can still get measles if you have been vaccinated won't necessarily die..

Remember vaccines are not for everyone because every gene is different and some are more susceptible to damages.

Which is another major factor that doesn't seem to get brought out. And it helps explain why some people get bad results and others don't seem to. (Although Dr. Mouldin has evidence that led him to believe all do get bad reactions.)

To force everyone to get an injection that is ok for 98% of the population, and say that the 2% it will affect badly just have to deal with whatever horrible consequences may happen, is something I have to put in the category of uncivilized, at best.

People who want to assert claims about herd immunity would do well to study the findings of Antoine Bechamp.

This is because it reduces herd immunity. If it was just their kids dying, that's just weeding the stupid out of the gene pool. The trouble is, it's also people who have weakened immune systems or who otherwise can't have vaccines. It's not just their kids they are killing.

Do you have data on this (i.e. the specific genetics that would make vaxes "bad for" some people)? How would anyone test for this - is there a test (so the 2% would even know who they were)? If not, who's to say those 2% wouldn't be people who chose to vax and 25% of the rest (for example) wouldn't just stay away out of fear? You're saying those 2% are being forced - unless there's a test to determine who this population even is, how can you say that specific segment is being forced - maybe some of those choose not to vax without knowing they're even in the 2%, others might not...?

By reacting badly, what do you mean...Do you mean, say, high fever and a rash? Or do you mean those 2% are likely to be autistic after but not before the shot?

Also, who's to say those who avoided the vax out of fear of being in that "bad" 2% won't end up getting, for example, polio and being partially paralyzed instead of being autistic (assuming there are genes that "react badly," I'm assuming - in favor of autism)? Or a high fever from measles and being deaf or blind, potentially (in a minority of cases...my mom was one of these, actually, measles in youth, fever could not be brought down quickly despite medications to bring down the fever, was deaf in one ear permanently)? Where are the guarantees? Isn't it all pretty much playing the percentages and making the most overall rational decision (in the absence of hard data that one's child WILL be autistic if receiving the MMR, will NOT be paralyzed if s/he gets polio, etc.)? (Or may get one of these diseases, such as rubella, and not be permanently affected but pass it along to someone who will be affected)?

As parents we make a choice to gamble our kids' health one way or another, like it or not, and it's hard. For me personally it wouldn't be a matter of "I'd rather have you maybe be paralyzed, deaf or dead than maybe be autistic." (Again, this assuming an absence of concrete data and an actual test to determine who would be more "at risk" for autism. I don't know yet so I hope you can answer.)

I'm not fully understanding this post (not playing dumb here), so that's why I'm asking these questions.

But I can say that some of these diseases most parents vax against are no joke. We have no concept of, for example, the absolute devastation polio can cause...because most of us did not grow up when it was prevalent and science was all but helpless against it. Why? Because we had all but eradicated it in first-world countries - until the autism/vax hysteria. We can scoff and be lofty about choice and so on, never having had to personally witness babies dying from measles. Or chicken pox causing dangerously high and possibly very damaging fever in adults. Or children deaf, blind or brain-injured from some of these illnesses. But considering how vaxing is being made into the devil, unfortunately, we may just get that chance... Then maybe we can ALL make our decisions of actually weighing, for example, rumors of autism based on the deliberately misleading science of one man, against diseases we will see with our very own eyes.

And whatever decisions families make in light of those possibilities is whatever decisions they make, I don't see "forcing" vaxing, certainly...but...know what you're up against regarding these diseases and what they actually can do - to old people, to infants, to fetuses, to anybody...especially if they become more prevalent among the population, then make your decision...IMO. (And only IMO, again, I'm nobody to "force" anybody else or to make another parent's decision for him/her, it is a personal decision.) I'm not saying "You'd better vax!" - I'm just saying, sometimes, these illnesses are spoken about as if they're the common cold. They aren't...and parents should weigh all the odds before making medical decisions for their children, any medical decision.

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The completely discredited ideas of Antoine Bechamp, you mean? Pasteur was right. Live with it.