Hans Asperger's article and aristocratic facial features.

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16 Apr 2016, 1:08 am

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I was reading it (IMO is much better than any other article about the subject) and it appeared to me that there was an emphasis on aristocratic (facial) features with asperger's patients.
How would you describe aristocratic face? I have no idea.



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16 Apr 2016, 1:31 am

I remember a thread here a while back about someone being told that they "look like an aspie". It does seem that we have a certain look to us.

EDIT: I found the thread: https://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=308222


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16 Apr 2016, 8:49 am

Probably because Mr. Asperger saw many people with Germanic features, which some see as being "aristocratic."

Many Aspies do not have so-called "aristocratic" features.



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16 Apr 2016, 8:59 am

I clicked on the article link and was faced with a decision whether or not to download. Out of concern for my computer security, I declined. So I apologize if I am not really connecting with your topic.

To my mind, the founder of Facebook, Mark Zuckerberg, looks blatantly "off" and I would even say, aspie. But I wouldn't call him aristocratic. To my mind, aristocratic facial features might include an aquiline nose or an oval face shape with thin hair. Maybe it's the fact that Zuckerberg is only ever photographed in a tee shirt or sweatshirt, since that's about the only thing he ever wears. But maybe it's because he smiles for the camera but the smile looks entirely fake, looks pasted on, reflects nothing interior or context-specific.


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16 Apr 2016, 11:49 am

You also have to remember that wen Asperger was studying and writing about autistics they were facing the threat of a gas chamber if the Nazi's thought that they were lesser beings and not the little professors Asperger often played them up to be.

Nazi's were all about the eugenics movement, with ideas largely drawn from the quasi-scientific movement in the states, and part of that ideology is form is representative of function. If he draws attention to a noble bearing or aristocratic features, it very well could be him trying to play to his audiences prejudices so the patients he cared about wouldn't be targeted for abuse and murder as so many mental 'inferiors' were.



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16 Apr 2016, 11:59 am

What exactly is an "aristocratic face"? :?:


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16 Apr 2016, 12:48 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Probably because Mr. Asperger saw many people with Germanic features, which some see as being "aristocratic."

Many Aspies do not have so-called "aristocratic" features.


I agree. I hate it when threads like these spring up.


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17 Apr 2016, 5:15 pm

Aristocratic features are the result of centuries of inbreeding!!

Physiognomy (the art of judging character from facial features) is a very dangerous practice and should be discouraged - it was used as the basis for supressing minorities, and basically the primary thinking behind oppression of the blacks.


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18 Apr 2016, 9:09 am

It's possible that groups of people who looked similar were more able to visit Hans Asperger (white, more affluent, potentially spread by word of mouth).

There is no 'autistic look' which is clear to see from both data on racial incidence and if you ever encounter a room of racially and socio-economically diverse autistics.

That said, some autistics may have posture or mannerisms which lead others to see them as similar, though the person might not think the same were those mannerisms not present.


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18 Apr 2016, 7:07 pm

Austinfrom1995 wrote:
What exactly is an "aristocratic face"? :?:


Aqualine nose. Deep voice.

Thats about it when I googled the phrase "aristocratic features". A bit vague.

Might have been (what the above poster suggested) that it was some kind of spin that the Doctor was making to save the lives of his patients from the Nazi regime (which I wouldnt fault him for doing).

Or it might really be true that aspies in Europe tend to have aristocratic features.

But my guess is that that even White aspies in America have very little DNA from the European aristocracy since it was the aristocracy who stayed in Europe, and it was the serfs who fled Europe to populate America.



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18 Apr 2016, 7:38 pm

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What exactly is an "aristocratic face"?


Why, a face like mine, of course. :mrgreen:


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18 Apr 2016, 8:41 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
Austinfrom1995 wrote:
What exactly is an "aristocratic face"? :?:

But my guess is that that even White aspies in America have very little DNA from the European aristocracy since it was the aristocracy who stayed in Europe, and it was the serfs who fled Europe to populate America.

Not entirely true. Some came for religious reasons, and some of those were very educated people. Serfs would probably have survived that first winter at Plymouth better than the Pilgrims did. Later immigrants included younger sons who stood to inherit nothing, not even a title, from their aristocratic parents.

Sorry, just nit picking here.


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18 Apr 2016, 9:14 pm

Aristrocratic features? Well, people have often thought I look aloof/snobby/haughty. I think that has something to do with my internal state and how it expresses on my face. I've heard other aspies have that same issue....but that's all I can think of with regards to "aristrocratic".