The social ties between autism and schizophrenia
https://spectrumnews.org/features/deep- ... zophrenia/
Some people seem to fit both a psychosis spectrum and an autism spectrum diagnosis.
Eugen Bleuler, in about 1911, wrote that people with schizophrenia (called dementia praecox then) had an autistic mindset because they isolate themselves from others.
Even Hans Asperger referred to his study subjects as exhibiting symptoms of "autistic psychopathy." He wasn't referring to socio/psychopaths.
Some people seem to fit both a psychosis spectrum and an autism spectrum diagnosis.
For the longest time I thought I had schizophrenia , my family thought I had schizophrenia and they told other people I had schizophrenia ( thanks guys ). I have not been diagnosed with it and I have talked with psychiatrists about having it and have been told in no uncertain terms that I do not have it.
The more I read about ASD the more it's becomes the logical answer to my issues.
There is no doubt that I have had what feel like psychotic breaks in the past ( derealization , conspiracy theories , suicidal ideation) when under huge amounts of stress but even these can issues can be answered with ASD , in fact I have found ASD evidence for every symptom I've had , this could just be cognitive bias though.
For the last year I have been quite positive about the possibility of having ASD , I felt as long as I knew what was wrong with me , I would be happy.
In the last day or so my feelings have changed as my lack of self awareness is shocking to me and made me feel very naive and childlike , I am now actually scared about getting a diagnosis of ASD and the implications ( it could just be anxiety though).
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Autism was associated with "Childhood Schizophrenia"---but I don't believe Kanner's kids would have been diagnosed with it. There was a separate "autism" category even in 1943, known as "Infantile Autism." Believe it or not, "Infantile Autism lasted into the 1980s.
I was diagnosed with an outmoded condition: I was considered "brain-damaged." Also with Autism.
When I was in 6th grade, my speech therapist thought I had it so she was trying to convince the other school staff I had it and to watch for signs all because my mom told her I heard too many voices, my exact words, when I meant too many people were talking.
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Similar thing happened to me, a psychologist wrote in my file (I needed records for some reason so had them sent and read it years later) that I was hearing voices, and I remember clearly when she was talking with me, she was hurried and I felt slow and I looked up to think about my answer, did not hear voices! yet that's how she perceived it. So they said I might be a little schizo. I definitely have a quite fluid view of reality but I also think many people get little erections when they think and talk of schizophrenia, like they've encountered the world's coolest circus act. lol people.
I remember watching the Temple Grandin movie in school last year. And there was a flashback scene that showed Temple when she was 4. It was her and her mom in a DR office. And the DR said that Temple had schizophrenia. And I didn't know that schizophrenia and autism were related. But I don't know if that part of the movie was accurate or not.
It was removed because it was considered a hoax but still can be read HERE
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It was removed because it was considered a hoax but still can be read HERE
And yet, apart from the bit about seasonal affective disorder, I can see some people fitting this. It's far from unbelievable.
I'm not sure that it's physiologically possible to be both: from what I have read, autism results from a lack of neurological pruning during a critical phase of childhood and schizophrenia from an excess of neurological pruning. Maybe if there is a lack of pruning in some area of the brain but and excess in another area? I'm not sure how likely that is though, because I don't remember what areas of the brain the lack of pruning in autistic brains and the excess of pruning in schizophrenic brains happens.
Editing to add: I have seen someone else comment about this here before, possibly Chronos? I can't remember for sure who it was, but it wasn't that long ago. But surely there is someone here more familiar with the neurological research, that's bound to be someone's special interest.
It was removed because it was considered a hoax but still can be read HERE
And yet, apart from the bit about seasonal affective disorder, I can see some people fitting this. It's far from unbelievable.
I don't know enough to comment on this firemonkey , they only called it a hoax as there was not enough evidence to back it up ( and it was reported as well ).
I read a post here a while ago from a poster regarding this and he believed that schizotypal autism was just a way of describing a dual diagnosis of schizotypy PD and autism.
I just found it
"Schizotypal autism" is simply a dual diagnosis of schizotypy and autism. The wiki page seems a bit inaccurate in saying there are only about 100 people with it. I think it is refering to people who were diagnosed with "mendelsohnns" which isnt a term that is normally used.
Much research has suggested that autism and schizophrenia are genetically linked, and even if they are not assuming each disorder were to be 1 in 100, that would estimate the chances of having both to be 1 in 10,000.
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I was misdiagnosed with schizophrenia form disorder when I was around 13. Or maybe is was accurate and I stopped having schizophrenia symptoms. Although now that I'm more educated about OCD that's what it really felt like - intrusive thoughts that I knew couldn't be real but they wouldn't stop, and I kept obsessing and doing weird things to make them stop. They went away eventually as well. I don't know, everything seemed to happen when I turned 12 and then it was my brain that really went haywire and not my hormones.
But schizophrenia and OCD are illnesses while autism is not. But being a female it's not surprising I was never diagnosed with Aspergers until I was an adult.
I don't think Aspergers was even in diagnostic manuals till you were about 20ish
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