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08 Aug 2017, 5:08 pm

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I'm not a racist really, but I do get offended when foreign muslims wear burkas in the UK, and build mosques in the UK, and all of that. It's fine in their countries, but this is England.


Wow, for not being a racist (really?) that sounds damn racist to me.

If they live there and pay taxes, it is their county as well.


Oh God, I knew I was going to get called racist if I posted anything in this thread. I will not post anything else in this thread, because it will just be the wrong thing and I might end up being called the C-word by somebody (I don't mean you). This is why I steer clear from the politics and religion thread.

So I'm just going to back out right now before I end up getting hurt.


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08 Aug 2017, 5:20 pm

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I'm all for calling people out when they commit atrocities , discriminate or are bigots but to tar a whole religion is in my opinion cultural racism

And this is the problem...the whole religion *does* deserve to be tarred as it is hateful and intolerant. The liberal left media loves to paint this picture of "moderate Islam" and that only "extremists" who blow things up are a problem, and they're all "over there". This is smoke and mirrors, it's hiding the very real problem that Islam grows rapidly in any country it moves to and that is happening here and now, and as it grows it seeks to dominate. Again we're seeing this here and now...demands for widespread Sharia law, Muslim ghettos, Christian symbols and traditions stopped in case it "offends" Muslims, and do you know how many of your fast food restaurants only serve Halal meat even though it's not openly advertised? And there is no such thing as moderate Islam, as the Muslim population grows and takes more and more control it will destroy this country and I only hope I'm dead before I see it. At least back when the Germans invaded people had some gumption, there was none of this liberal PC crap, people saw the threat and gave their lives to stop it. Instead we take to twitter and #NotAllMuslims.


I don't think you really have to worry about Muslims taking over in the UK, there would be an uprising of epic proportion if more people had your belief , there would be a mass ethnic cleansing of anyone suspected of being Muslim. There would be a civil war.


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08 Aug 2017, 5:28 pm

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It's funny that you chose Eric Draven as your avatar

That's not his name.

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I don't think you really have to worry about Muslims taking over in the UK, there would be an uprising of epic proportion if more people had your belief , there would be a mass ethnic cleansing of anyone suspected of being Muslim. There would be a civil war.

I do worry because there won't be a civil war (or any war) as the country is ran by apologists like you. By the time people decide something should be done it'll be too late; Merkel times a million.



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08 Aug 2017, 5:35 pm

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That's not his name.


What's his name then?

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I do worry because there won't be a civil war (or any war) as the country is ran by apologists like you. By the time people decide something should be done it'll be too late; Merkel times a million.


I think Private Fraser sums up your feeling

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08 Aug 2017, 5:41 pm

As I see it, everyone has the ability to be racist. Most people make the wise decision not to be so.


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08 Aug 2017, 5:46 pm

Some people, are aspie supremacists. I'm not sure about the whole racial thing. Since it doesn't really come up.. homophobic, I doubt it. But aspie supremacy is a part of the autism sub-culture. Much like the 'curebie culture'. Personally, I agree with neither.


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08 Aug 2017, 6:14 pm

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All human beings are racist. If you say you're not a racist, then you're lying or just in denial. You may have been educated and raised to tolerate others, but deep down you are uncomfortable when around someone of a different race. Although in my case I'm afraid I'll accidentally say something stupid that will offend others when trying not to do the same with people of my own race is hard enough. And if you like some because of their race that's also racist because there's good and bad in everyone. But mostly bad, in my opinion.

Even so, I've only been called racist only once. At least offline anyway, as far as I know. It was because of an accident while I was on the bus a few years ago which sent me into anxiety overload and said a few anti-Muslim comments. I'm not proud at all of what I said. But if the passengers had been black or Asian or Hispanic I would not have acted the way I did.



I have never felt uncomfortable around someone just because they have a different skin color than I do or are a different nationality than I am. I didn't even know some people felt that way until I was in middle school and I found that very strange. Maybe because I grew up in an area where population is diverse so from a very young age I was exposed to different nationalities and race.


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08 Aug 2017, 7:50 pm

I personally would not call myself a bigot. The mainstream might, I disagree with some modern opinions on minorities, but I personally believe race has no impact on the value of a person. I believe your descions determine your value.



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08 Aug 2017, 9:19 pm

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the Unholy Babble also supports racism and the oppression of women, so should THAT be ok to preach too?

Whoah, dude, what's with all the Christianophobia? I have found the occurrence of that to be disgusting to say the least. I mean, we of all people should know that all people should be accepted for how they are.



If you want to silence people you don't agree with by demonising them maybe you should try twitter instead?


There actually are some pretty questionable things in the bible, I don't think it is Christianophobia to point that out.


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08 Aug 2017, 10:19 pm

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the Unholy Babble also supports racism and the oppression of women, so should THAT be ok to preach too?

Whoah, dude, what's with all the Christianophobia? I have found the occurrence of that to be disgusting to say the least. I mean, we of all people should know that all people should be accepted for how they are.



If you want to silence people you don't agree with by demonising them maybe you should try twitter instead?


There actually are some pretty questionable things in the bible, I don't think it is Christianophobia to point that out.

Same with Islam and Judaism, totally agree.



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10 Aug 2017, 10:06 am

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And this is the problem...the whole religion *does* deserve to be tarred as it is hateful and intolerant. The liberal left media loves to paint this picture of "moderate Islam" and that only "extremists" who blow things up are a problem, and they're all "over there".


Wow. I think back to the few Muslims I've gotten a chance to work with, and they were delightful people! Pretty sure they weren't sleeper agents of some shadowy invasion force. One would make us sweet tea.

And I think I need to point out the irony of decrying an entire faith community for being hateful and intolerant. Everyone. Really? I mean, unless you've talked to every single Muslim person.

As long as we're blaming people for things they have no control over, I think the Middle East would be a lot less f***ed up if it weren't for British colonialism. So shame on you, Chichikov! [/sarcasm]

For those bringing up race - it's not racism. Not exactly. More accurately, it's xenophobia and tribalism. Though it's strongly connected to racism, certainly here in the States. Brown people get yelled at (and sometimes shot!) on the assumption that they are Muslim. I could probably walk down the street with a full beard and taqiyah and the most harassment I'd get is being called a hipster!

What we all should ask ourselves whenever we have a strong belief about a group of people is: What would it take to convince me I'm wrong?

If you can't think of anything, then you're not open, and (I'm sorry to say) you are a bigot.


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10 Aug 2017, 3:19 pm

creepycrawler wrote:
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And this is the problem...the whole religion *does* deserve to be tarred as it is hateful and intolerant. The liberal left media loves to paint this picture of "moderate Islam" and that only "extremists" who blow things up are a problem, and they're all "over there".


Wow. I think back to the few Muslims I've gotten a chance to work with, and they were delightful people! Pretty sure they weren't sleeper agents of some shadowy invasion force. One would make us sweet tea.

And I think I need to point out the irony of decrying an entire faith community for being hateful and intolerant. Everyone. Really? I mean, unless you've talked to every single Muslim person.

As long as we're blaming people for things they have no control over, I think the Middle East would be a lot less f***ed up if it weren't for British colonialism. So shame on you, Chichikov! [/sarcasm]

For those bringing up race - it's not racism. Not exactly. More accurately, it's xenophobia and tribalism. Though it's strongly connected to racism, certainly here in the States. Brown people get yelled at (and sometimes shot!) on the assumption that they are Muslim. I could probably walk down the street with a full beard and taqiyah and the most harassment I'd get is being called a hipster!

What we all should ask ourselves whenever we have a strong belief about a group of people is: What would it take to convince me I'm wrong?

If you can't think of anything, then you're not open, and (I'm sorry to say) you are a bigot.


"hateful and intolerant" - did you know there are no other religions allowed in Saudi Arabia? Literally, one is only allowed to be a Muslim. No religious books, nor paraphernalia is allowed. So, no crucifixes etc. Not as jewelry or anything. There are no churches. If one is a foreigner living and working there, one must worship in the privacy of one's own home, or in secret locations as a congregation, whilst fending off exhortations to convert whilst at work.
If caught in public, it's an arrest usually followed by ejection from the country.

Saudi Arabia is to Islam, what Rome is to Catholics. It's the seat of Islam. And the above is just the tip of the iceberg on how they (dis)honour religions other than their own.
Crucially, any denomination may visit Rome but no non-Muslim is allowed into mecca or medina.

They are the only religion I am aware of that rewards converting someone, with a fast track to their heaven. Even the most heinous and riddled with sin (sin according to their religious texts) can buy a get out of jail free pass by converting, or marrying someone ( generally the partner converts and certainly the children are raised as Muslims) further cementing a blissful afterlife.
So who really is "hateful and intolerant" again?

If you will, that was the stage set to show where they're coming from... Their orthodoxy. And where I may not practice my own religion in their part of the world, must adhere to their rules by covering my head with a scarf/hijab despite not being Muslim myself, they get the freedom to live and worship as they choose, in my part of the world.
So basically, when in Rome I must be a Roman but, the Muslim demands and expects to be a Muslim whichever part of the globe they are in.

Not a problem I hear you say, we in the west (especially) are enlightened so let them see what tolerance begets... and largely I'd agree... There's good and bad within all creeds....all true. Except, at heart, most Muslims appear to do "hateful and intolerant" better than current comments on this thread would suggest, or are willing to accept. Salman Rushdie might agree with me. Just off the top of my head.

It's lovely to read all the love some people here have for their fellow Man regardless of denomination but on this subject my liberal lefty self takes a back seat.ime this isn't a religion that plays well with others.ime the loveliest of people become rigid and unyielding when it comes to their religion.
Anecdotal but I've had two close friends, one male one female, both were wild and both had something happen that caused them to get in touch with their inner Muslim. It's the equivalent of the Catholic Guilt we're probably all familiar with. It was scary how orthodox they became overnight! 8O

If the UK muslim communities, indeed the world over, condemned and spoke out more, gave up those that are being radicalised, spoke vociferously against the jihadists instead of the muted response we appear to get, stood up to be counted because they respect their adopted country. I'd probably be more open minded.

Incidentally, I'm a brown person albeit not Muslim and I live the fear people are feeling out there. I'm automatically assumed to be a Muslim and treated with suspicion in some quarters. That's not the media demonising Muslims that's doing it, tho it doesn't help, it's the silence of the Muslims doing it.
Silence, muted voice, equals collusion. Is it any wonder they are viewed with suspicion? In this tiny country of ours they are a significant presence in some areas and they make their presence known. Easy enough to share cuisines but delineation rears its head when it comes to faith.

With that said, I guess it's easier to be scared/worried for the future, for some... or sarcastic and mocking, for others... right creepy crawler?



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10 Aug 2017, 3:23 pm

Um..what she said! 8O


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10 Aug 2017, 4:06 pm

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I'm automatically assumed to be a Muslim

Probably because of your beard.



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10 Aug 2017, 4:11 pm

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I'm automatically assumed to be a Muslim

Probably because of your beard.


*gigglesnort*

You tired of life? I can help with that if I must :hmph:



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10 Aug 2017, 4:19 pm

Another fine day of multiculturalism in the UK

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-40879427

Note the "M" word doesn't appear once, when you're a child rapist you're "Asian", when you win a British TV baking show you're a Muslim

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38219841

Needless to say fear of being called racist was why this gang were able to get away with it, just like all the others

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-40886658

So all you people who scream "racist" and people who call out the inherently incompatible values of Muslims, you're responsible for things like this, for creating this kind of environment. Where scum like this

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4207314/n ... afficking/

feel untouchable