Should autistic s be able to euthanize themselves ?

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15 Jun 2015, 6:22 pm

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Society is so f##ked up.
We'll force people (mostly men) to live in unnatural poverty, rejected and dejected, in a zombie-like state of existence until they "somehow" die, but we won't give them the dignity and the right to die a quick, dignified, painless death at the time of their choosing.

We are the monsters on this planet, not those needing/wanting help with suicide.

Getting help with suicide avoids the nightmare of living through a failed suicide. Of course society never talks about that either.


I did survive an attempt, in retrospect kind of glad my ER treatment consisted of them helping me not die...Also people should not live the way you describe but that is something society needs to address, so people aren't forced into such states of being...monsters are the people that would just assume those of us who struggle kill ourselves rather than doing anything to address potential flaws in society and even their own behavior as to how they are treating such individuals and make some changes.


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15 Jun 2015, 8:21 pm

They need assistance to kill themselves because they are physically incapable of doing so on their own. People ravaged by diseases like cancer don't have the physical strength to move. They need assistance. People with autism do not need assistance to commit suicide. There is no need to legislate it.

But I think what you may be asking is, is it morally okay for people with autism to commit suicide. And I'd have to say no. Autism is not a reason to kill yourself.

And anyone can learn to drive. You just have to find the right teacher.



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15 Jun 2015, 8:30 pm

I believe in euthanasia, but after extended counseling before making that decision. While I support that right for anyone, with autism I would hope there could be a reason found to persevere in life. So many people have different disabilities and hardships in life, and sharing those experiences makes the world a better place.



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15 Jun 2015, 9:02 pm

I, my autistic brother, and autistic nephew are all quite happy with our lives. It hasn't always been that way, we struggled, but we got through it. The important thing is to believe in one's self and never let anyone else decided what your limitations are.

My brother and I didn't know about autism growing up. No one told us we were supposed to be limited in what we could be, so we didn't give up. My brother is a veteran of the U.S. air force and a father of 4 (5th due in October.) Me? Well I'm a work in progress, but very happy.

If we'd been allowed to kill our selves I for one would not be here. But I am very glad I am. Suicide is not an answer. Suicide for us is giving up, and then you never will find happiness.



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15 Jun 2015, 9:07 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:

I did survive an attempt, in retrospect kind of glad my ER treatment consisted of them helping me not die...Also people should not live the way you describe but that is something society needs to address, so people aren't forced into such states of being...monsters are the people that would just assume those of us who struggle kill ourselves rather than doing anything to address potential flaws in society and even their own behavior as to how they are treating such individuals and make some changes.


Sweetleaf, I wish we had a 'like' button.



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16 Jun 2015, 1:14 pm

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No, because each life is worth living.

I agree with you! I'm pro life and the taking of any life is wrong. Image



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16 Jun 2015, 1:20 pm

TheMagnanimousKitten wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
No, because each life is worth living.

I agree with you! I'm pro life and the taking of any life is wrong. Image


I disagree. I think there are times when life becomes torturous and is not fulfilling to the spirit. If no treatment is available, a person has the right to assistance to die.

I don't understand why death is widely viewed as bad. We should accept that our time is limited and be allowed to deal with it on our own terms.



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16 Jun 2015, 5:00 pm

NO!

The amount of times I've wanted to kill myself and have tried to kill myself is quite a lot but those are times when I'm very sad but right now, I'm happy with my life and don't want to die. What if, in my depressive mood, I declared that I wanted to euthanise myself? I'd be dead by now.

If it was up to me when I was 13, I would have have been euthanised right there and then but I'm 18 now and I am in college getting very high grades and I'm happy. If I had euthanised myself back then,I wouldnt be here.

So no, autistic people shouldn't be able to euthanise themselves because they'll never be able to reach their potential if they're dead.


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16 Jun 2015, 5:12 pm

I like Coda's STYLE!! !! !!



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16 Jun 2015, 6:51 pm

Despite people's fixation on what they don't have, happiness does not often come from what you don’t have, but from what you do. The problem with this is that people never know what they do have until it is taken away from them. Therefore becoming happy is not about changing your situation or gaining more property, but in appreciating the positives/things you do have, however small they may be.

Only after doing that can you truly appreciate the new things that come into your life, or put the proper perspective on to how important they actually are.

Many people spend so long focusing on what they don't have, they never realise what they do have.

I should add a caveat though, as sometimes happiness can even be found in what you don’t have. For example, someone who drives everywhere may not get the same enjoyment from travel gained by someone who walks or cycles to many places, and so gets to enjoy the air, the flowers and other things which the first person doesn't even notice exist. The first person will also miss out on the health benefits gained by the walkers and cyclists.

It's interesting what you can learn from your reasonably well off family losing everything in your early teens - even ending up practically homeless - only to grow up and realise that your friends who didn't have such an experience (and remained quite well off) were on the whole far more miserable. Poor rich people lol


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16 Jun 2015, 6:59 pm

Personally, I think the fact that there are laws against ending one's life is insane. Anyone should have the right to terminate their existence whenever they please.


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02 Jan 2018, 10:06 am

I fervently believe in euthanasia but on a personal level I think spite is all that keeps me going these days .



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03 Jan 2018, 4:47 am

I'm not going to condemn anyone for saying yes or no to this because I'm having a very hard time with it myself - agreeing or disagreeing. This Autistic life of mine has been nothing but one excruciating experience after another and I've thought about suicide almost every day for the past 35 years. Most days of my life I would like nothing better than to simply end my life or die in my sleep or something of that nature.

The only thing that really stops me is the moral and religious factor in the huge issue of suicide that most religions have an issue with. To kill oneself is considered a mortal sin and one that I would not be able to ask forgiveness for before entering the Gates of Heaven so I would surely be condemned for doing so. In my mind I would have no justification if God asked me why I chose to end my own life when He gave it to me to live the best I could.

But I'm still having trouble resolving this contradiction of suicide.


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03 Jan 2018, 2:27 pm

Terminally ill people should have that right but I have problems with anybody else.

For autism, I have a problem with the idea of doing the work for the people who want to do us in.

Somewhat related while unevenly applied medicine has made great strides in pain management. I worry that because of the opioid epidemic we are losing a lot of this progress with doctors afraid of being accused of pill pushing.


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04 Jan 2018, 6:05 pm

sAMY wrote:
Being able to euthanize yourself is legal in 3 countrys and just recently they started letting those with terminal illness's in the usa euthanize them self's.


I feel we should have the right just as those with terminal illness's, we're forever set up for failure and those with low functioning autism have it real bad and will probably never even be able to understand just how distorted their reality is.


The great majority of autistic s can't even drive a car let alone act appropriately and are prone to violent outbursts or sexual abuse, some of these autistic's are aware of their faults and can do nothing to stop it .


Not only that most of us will never be happy or at least to a point that is normal.


I think that's pathetic. "I can't do it I'll just kill myself." I have bipolar disorder. I'll never have a "normal" level of happiness. I've even attempted to kill myself more than once. I'm over it. I've been physically abused by security in the hospital. I'm over it. Instead of feeling sorry for myself I just get on with life, even though it's painful and slow. Suck it up.



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04 Jan 2018, 6:15 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
You don't have end-stage cancer with extreme pain.

Honestly, I feel it's ridiculous for one to euthanize one's self because one has an autism spectrum disorder.

I'm sorry you're feeling so sad.


Thank you. I couldn't have put it better. This person needs to stop feeling sorry for himself. I used to have end-stage arthritis in my foot and I had to take Opana and Opana ER for years (the latter of which has been taken off the market last June because people were shooting up so much) I had surgery 2 years ago so now I'm 85-95% pain free. Should I have euthanized myself when I was in so much pain? The thought never entered my mind. Keeping in mind Opana (oxymorphone) is 10x more potent than morphine, 5x more potent than heroin and 2x more potent than oxycontin. Just to give an idea of the level of pain I was in.