I have a fundamental problem with the internet
I think this is some sort of verbal processing thing or learning disability thing, but I just can not see all this text based interaction as actual "socializing" it is all just lifeless words on a computer screen to me, no real people here. Well, I logically know you are real people, but I do not get ANY sense of it. Cyberspace has no life as far as I can tell.
I've never been able to 'click' with anyone online, in all these years. Just slipping more and more into 'trollness' I guess.
I suppose there is little hope for folks like me here in cyberspace, we get banned eventually everywhere we go. Step on a lot of toes because of that lack of an online social sense.
This just is not the same as voice, or face to face. I don't know how so many people treat this as if it's a suitable replacement for real socializing. It's just bored reading and typing.
But online is how the world socializes now, and folks like me are not compatible with this new social media society.
Obsolete now. Just dust clouds and tumbleweeds out here in "meat space".
The irony was, i used to build web sites and make video games 20 years ago, I'm 100% out of that, been steamrolled by those more socially compatible with this new century.
I don't want to be a troll, I just lack any sense this is "social".
I see the Internet as separate from my socializing.
This year I've gone to two conventions, two parties, and half a dozen club meetings for my socializing. The Internet doesn't count.
I should also put down my full time job on the socializing list.
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I've never been able to 'click' with anyone online, in all these years. Just slipping more and more into 'trollness' I guess.
I suppose there is little hope for folks like me here in cyberspace, we get banned eventually everywhere we go. Step on a lot of toes because of that lack of an online social sense.
This just is not the same as voice, or face to face. I don't know how so many people treat this as if it's a suitable replacement for real socializing. It's just bored reading and typing.
But online is how the world socializes now, and folks like me are not compatible with this new social media society.
Obsolete now. Just dust clouds and tumbleweeds out here in "meat space".
The irony was, i used to build web sites and make video games 20 years ago, I'm 100% out of that, been steamrolled by those more socially compatible with this new century.
I don't want to be a troll, I just lack any sense this is "social".
You aren't entirely incorrect. There is a dimension of socialization that the internet can't provide, and only manifests in person, and I believe real life person to person interaction is vital to the well being of most.
While lonliness is a growing problem in the western world, most people still have a sufficient amount of offline interactions.
Yes you are right it is a strange world. Further I would not gather with many of the men here in body, by reason of their age, sex, &c. It is not natural for women and men to speak so freely together. And I have not in substance spoken in a long while to a foreign or someone much younger than I. Though on the Internet if I did speak they would see my words, though I did not wish to hear their answer. I have even seen some that have reckoned all men on the Internet as alike, speaking to them as brothers. These men have become divorced from reality, and the conclusion of this could be bad. In any case, let us not shun the worst of the evils, that men, specially young ones, are looking commonly at bare women on the Internet, from a young age. At one time in Christian lands men would only see their wives thus, after they had said the wedlock. They are putting their time to vain use, and they should, when they are older, repent of it, but till then it will overlay their minds, though they do not know it. I have turned the Internet to use often and for long hours, sometimes as many as sixteen a day, since I left high school in 1999 or 2000, and I agree that it has changed, though so have I. I will also say that I do not understand the fascination that some have with new things, and indeed I do not understand the great allure that the Internet and technology as it seems have. To my mind most things on the Internet arose in the nineties, and in some cases have been undone needlessly and for the worse by things now. Together the dealings and communications have become worse, and I have seen once good places, full of thought and mature spirit, either go, or become worse. In some cases (I will not soften my words here) they are now populated by men that curse and hate wisdom and as it seems have no morality. A good fraternity that was scarcely already a substitute for actual dealings, has now become worse, and is not worth the strain. Further the companies that earn money from the Internet, have hurt most of what was good about it, as to video games, &c. It has an ugly shape now, looking too much like greed and excessive business. Everything that I liked about my younger days on the Internet is now gone or marred. And as any kind of dealing on the Internet, as time and change have shown, is vain and empty, or at least less than ideal, and a poor substitute for a real one, it does make me ask what comes of the Internet at last? What does a young man, looking at bare electronic women and playing temporary electronic games that will be discarded, and not by him, but by commerce and excess, do when he becomes fully grown? We must be careful not to reason from the Internet thoughts about the world without, and I know men now still wed and procreate...but younger men will do anything... they have the vigour to do good in the world, and thus it is a shame when they have scattered their time on empty things on the Internet. Having spent many of my younger years on the Internet, I have tried to go to taverns, &c. but found it an unpleasant occasion. It does not matter how we look at it, the Internet has drawn men away in body and soul to it, and that has put the world without in bad proportion, and hurt it in other ways. And the lewd sights that men are looking on on it may be the worst. A warning of my grandfather comes in mind, that "All women are not like that." Alas I needed more than a little warning, and that was not the best kind either. Men simply should not look at those sights. There should not be that familiarity. I don't remember much about the Internet in high school, it required the use of a phone line, so it was not liked by many, and neither were those that used it, which is even as important. That didn't change till (as I remember first hearing of it among common men) the early 2000s, when broadband had arisen, though still not well liked, and my experience corroborates this, I feel it changed more in the late part of that decade, and has continued to change till recent times. I began to put it to continual use in 1999 or 2000, and as I think of it now, it was a choice between fraternity with friends that used unlawful medicines and plants, and online video games. As I look backward, had the Internet not have been there, I likely would have sought other friends, or done something better, as a lack of things to do can make us. But it is hard to say how we would feel as a young man in any certain state, the feelings are so different. By that reason, I remember bulletin board systems and Telnet from the mid and late 90s, but though they seemed wonderful then, I don't know that they would now. Both I and online things have changed, but it is hard to say in what proportion, I say, in what proportion, which is most to the matter.
I've never been able to 'click' with anyone online, in all these years. Just slipping more and more into 'trollness' I guess.
I suppose there is little hope for folks like me here in cyberspace, we get banned eventually everywhere we go. Step on a lot of toes because of that lack of an online social sense.
This just is not the same as voice, or face to face. I don't know how so many people treat this as if it's a suitable replacement for real socializing. It's just bored reading and typing.
But online is how the world socializes now, and folks like me are not compatible with this new social media society.
Obsolete now. Just dust clouds and tumbleweeds out here in "meat space".
The irony was, i used to build web sites and make video games 20 years ago, I'm 100% out of that, been steamrolled by those more socially compatible with this new century.
I don't want to be a troll, I just lack any sense this is "social".
You know I'm on your boat. TBH, posting here doesn't substitute for talking to a real someone, and social media is something I've managed to stay out of very effectively. I don't think of myself as a troll though.
@everyone: Can someone please summarise ELance's post for me? Large banks of text are something I can't read.
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It's not you, this is the way the Internet is now. Social media has destroyed everything, people don't have time to read and write.
It's not about conversations anymore, it's about having popular posts with lots of likes, upvotes, and comments. If you look at a lot of Internet, most people who comment are not talking to each other, unless they're fighting. It's all tons of people making the same inane comment on something the OP said, and then scrolling along to the next shiny thing that catches their eye.
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I'll brave the storm to come, for it surely looks like rain...
Don't get me wrong. I do my best to make a conscious effort to think of folks here in a real people sense. I'm just talking about how the text filter of the internet makes it very difficult to know the nuances of social interaction, which is tough enough for autistics in physical space.
One of the reason's I don't make so much eye contact when talk to people in person, is because my sensory processing has me evaluating all layers of the conversation, the literal words, the tone inflection, the timing, the body language, things in the room that provide context for the conversation.
But here in cyberspace, it's mostly text,non real time.
My relationships with family members have suffered over recent years as our communications went from voice calls to texts & e-mails.
maybe there are a number of 'lurkers' around here who can identify. I'm sure as with any social group, you have your 'core crowd' (the 5-digit posts people), and then all the 'sometimeys' who probably haven't "clicked" with too many people online either.
Autism has a spectrum of verbal processing based problems that come with it. I would even suggest that there may be a connection between autism & "trolls". A lot of folks perceived as "trolls" don't want to be, they just have the 'people disconnect' problem I have here.
I don't want to put people off making a thread saying "you all are just dumb words on a screen to me, BLA!".... that's not my goal. I'm looking at and trying to "debug" my trollness here and maybe learn something.
In person I AM a really nice guy and get along well with pretty much everyone I meet, I might be quiet and shy, but not rude. Online, there is something here I seem to just not get. I've been "socializing online" since dialup BBS in the 80's before http even existed. All these years, i still "don't get it".
But now, as most of western society has shifted to this form of communications, I feel out in the cold.
I think the people with 10,000+ posts are the ones who play all the games in Off the Wall (count by tens, change a movie title, last person to post wins, etc.) @_@
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I'll brave the storm to come, for it surely looks like rain...
"The internet is bad because porn", but lenghty and slightly bible-y.
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I'm bored out of my skull, let's play a different game. Let's pay a visit down below and cast the world in flame.
I agree with the OP in many ways. Forums and social media do not replace actual face to face interactions with other people, in my opinion. I do not take part in any social media; it is a change in socialization that I do not see as positive. OTOH, I have found this forum particularly useful for a couple of reasons.
1) I have learned so much about autism and others' experiences with it.
2) I also have found conversations and threads more thoughtful and intelligent than I can find in most person to person conversations. (It is reassuring to me to know there are people in the world who can still have an intelligent and thoughtful conversation.)
There is an old Isaac Asimov short story about a culture in which people never interact face to face and only electronically. Interesting....
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I’m a sociologist and my research area is autism. I’m neurotypical.
You brought up two things that I found fascinating.
1- Is online socializing “real”?
Technically speaking, no, it is not. We are each typing into computers and taking it on faith that a physical human person is interacting with us. Or that we are reading the words of real people. It’s abstract, or a social construction.
That being said, I’m not sure if people who have problems getting into online social exchanges would have trouble with other abstract ideas-such as math, music, concepts like law, money, marriage, etc.it would be interesting to know.
2- Are autistic people more likely to “troll”?
Yes, they should be. Many autistic people have a talent for error finding-or identifying something that doesn’t belong. Online culture has decided that it is impolite to point out errors in a post or article, and so label people who do that as “trolls”.
I personally think that lures people into groupthink. The major benefit of autistics to society as a whole are their unique ways of thinking. It greatly helps problem solving to have one person be out of sync with the others. They have “fresh eyes”.
Generations ago when many people communicated by hand in the form of letter writing and having a "pen-pal", was that considered a form of communication? Personally, I would say most definitely.
How is online social communication any different other than being far faster?
Personally, I love online communication and I can definitely have a sense of the person behind the text. I can take all the time I need to process and even ruminate on someone's online comments and private message exchanges (which I equate to having a pen pal). Is it equal to face to face communication? Of course it's not the same.
I'm irked by the generally accepted notion that all humans need and crave the same level of human contact and if any fall short of that level, they'll be tormented, suffer a whole array of health problems and die early.
There's been push back by society against the long held notion that a person needs to be married to be fulfilled or a woman won't be happy if she remains single and doesn't "have a man", yet the notion that we all need a high level of face to face communication and anyone who doesn't is pathological still seems to stand.
How is online social communication any different other than being far faster.....
Good point about pen pals. Or even, back before the Internet, there were actually long letters between friends. I loved writing and receiving long letters. I miss it.
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And sky is the refrain - Gordon Lightfoot
I've never been able to 'click' with anyone online, in all these years. Just slipping more and more into 'trollness' I guess.
I suppose there is little hope for folks like me here in cyberspace, we get banned eventually everywhere we go. Step on a lot of toes because of that lack of an online social sense.
This just is not the same as voice, or face to face. I don't know how so many people treat this as if it's a suitable replacement for real socializing. It's just bored reading and typing.
But online is how the world socializes now, and folks like me are not compatible with this new social media society.
Obsolete now. Just dust clouds and tumbleweeds out here in "meat space".
The irony was, i used to build web sites and make video games 20 years ago, I'm 100% out of that, been steamrolled by those more socially compatible with this new century.
I don't want to be a troll, I just lack any sense this is "social".
You don’t share any personal details other than that you hilt websites twenty years ago. So people ackninformatiom about you and don’t have much to reply to I guess
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